Goodbye Larry Nance Jr.

[TitleTown]

Pretty reasonable deal honestly. It feels like the first time since pre Lebron we actually signed a player based on his actual basketball value rather than his ties to the King. Hopefully he outplays the contract but even if he stagnates a little it’ll still be a fair price

Shumpert's contact was reasonable given how he played prior to the contract.

 

[SmudgeHog]

Serious question, does this style of play(fast pace, running like mad men) has potential to cause more injuries? minor or severe?

If the players don't have the conditioning to run like that and they do so anyways because they are being told to, then it can't be all good?

There is a whole branch of analytics around maximizing practice, conditioning and minutes, when to pull players to prevent injuries, when to sleep, when and what to eat, and a whole industry growing around biometric wearables to give the data to make these decisions.

Companies like Second Spectrum also provide player tracking data for all NBA players, to all NBA teams to use in player reaction analysis, and when their reflexes start to deteriorate due to overstress or too many minutes (or just the wrong players playing against them)

Some teams embrace the technology more than others.

See:
https://kinexon-sports.com/insights-from-the-nba/
https://www.secondspectrum.com/ourwork.html
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2014/11/06/SMT-Conference/NBA-Stats.aspx

 

[ry81]

Ok deal for both sides I think. Stay healthy und show always yor high motor.

 

[ice cream man]

Not a bad deal. Jury is still out - will his shot get more reliable? If the defense can’t leave him open from midrange, that’s good enough for me. I’d be shocked if he ever developed a reliable 3-ball. He’s a better rim protector than TT. I’d like to see him push the ball up the floor himself after getting a defensive rebound. Same with Cedi.

 

[chuck0609]

It seems like a fair deal for him. It also is more front loaded like Love's, which makes it more attractive the further he plays into the contract. The Cavs will have substantial cap space (can have) in 2020.
Like people stated above, if he can develop ANY sort of outside shot, this will be a very good contract.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I like Larry but an average of $11+ a year, given what we just saw middling bigs getting on the open market, is certainly a bit of an overpay.

A front office shouldn't try to undercut its' players at all costs but we just watched Julius Randle get jack testing free agency and he's a much better player than Nance IMO.

We just have so much money tied up in inconsequential players right now. Nance can likely be moved pretty easily but sheesh.....we are paying 4 rostered players, who aren't even above average starters (or just not starters at all), 10+ mil a year.

I guess this is the cost of not stripping it down to the studs but Jesus, Dan must be allergic to money.

 

[Nathan S]

I like Larry but an average of $11+ a year, given what we just saw middling bigs getting on the open market, is certainly a bit of an overpay.

A front office shouldn't try to undercut its' players at all costs but we just watched Julius Randle get jack testing free agency and he's a much better player than Nance IMO.

We just have so much money tied up in inconsequential players right now. Nance can likely be moved pretty easily but sheesh.....we are paying 4 rostered players, who aren't even above average starters (or just not starters at all), 10+ mil a year.

I guess this is the cost of not stripping it down to the studs but Jesus, Dan must be allergic to money.

Posted in S34, here are other players making with 2M per year of Nance's new contract:

Of course, everyone has a player or two who they think is undervalued and who they wish we had instead of Nance. For you, that guy is Randle. But hopefully we can all agree that Nance is much better than the average guy on this list.

 

[Alec]

hopefully we can all agree that Nance is much better than the average guy on this list.

Maybe. I’m not really feeling up to a deep dive into those guys’ stats but I feel Nance is closer to those guys than starters in this league.

 

[Nathan S]

Maybe. I’m not really feeling up to a deep dive into those guys’ stats but I feel Nance is closer to those guys than starters in this league.

Poor choice of words on my part...I should've said "hopefully we can all agree that Nance is at least as good as the average guy on that list." Personally I'm more bullish, but my point is that even the most pessimistic among us should feel alright about this contract.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Maybe. I’m not really feeling up to a deep dive into those guys’ stats but I feel Nance is closer to those guys than starters in this league.

It's not even arguable IMO. Nance is better than everyone on that list but Nurkic

 

[czvo]

Randle is about to get seriously overpaid next summer, though. The reason he didn't get a ton of money is there wasn't a lot of money to be had.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Posted in S34, here are other players making with 2M per year of Nance's new contract:

Of course, everyone has a player or two who they think is undervalued and who they wish we had instead of Nance. For you, that guy is Randle. But hopefully we can all agree that Nance is much better than the average guy on this list.

He should be compared to peers who signed deals in similar financial climates, that was my point.

What guys got in markets, that are not sustainable moving forward, is not a good barometer for assessing contract value. Much like SF value shouldn’t be measured by Turner.

Someone mentioned Randle didn’t get paid because money was dried up. Yes, that is the point I was making. We negotiated against ourselves in a financial climate that is tightening down pretty hard on the middle third.

And we extended, what I think is a very generous contract, to a role player that has no creation skills and will not be on a good team.

I don’t hate the move, I just don’t find it necessary to devote that much money to a guy that is inconsequential to the win / loss total of a bad team....even ignoring his injury history.

I just find an early extension like Nance’s something bad teams do. Like they need something to show for that trade when Clarkson either gets traded or cut.

Maybe I’m just overly pessimistic about this FO regime.

 

[czvo]

He should be compared to peers who signed deals in similar financial climates, that was my point.

What guys got in markets, that are not sustainable moving forward, is not a good barometer for assessing contract value. Much like SF value shouldn’t be measured by Turner.

Someone mentioned Randle didn’t get paid because money was dried up. Yes, that is the point I was making. We negotiated against ourselves in a financial climate that is tightening down pretty hard on the middle third.

And we extended, what I think is a very generous contract, to a role player that has no creation skills and will not be on a good team.

I don’t hate the move, I just don’t find it necessary to devote that much money to a guy that is inconsequential to the win / loss total of a bad team....even ignoring his injury history.

I just find an early extension like Nance’s something bad teams do. Like they need something to show for that trade when Clarkson either gets traded or cut.

Maybe I’m just overly pessimistic about this FO regime.

You realize that Larry was going to hit the market when everyone had cash, so they most likely got him at a discount, right?

Also, your description of what happened to Randle is not actually what happened to Randle. Teams weren't/aren't paying less to the middle third. There was literally no money to go around. There were maybe two or three teams with actually cap space. Two of those teams, the Kings and Bulls, had no need in the front court.

 

[Nathan S]

He should be compared to peers who signed deals in similar financial climates, that was my point.

What guys got in markets, that are not sustainable moving forward, is not a good barometer for assessing contract value. Much like SF value shouldn’t be measured by Turner.

Someone mentioned Randle didn’t get paid because money was dried up. Yes, that is the point I was making. We negotiated against ourselves in a financial climate that is tightening down pretty hard on the middle third.

And we extended, what I think is a very generous contract, to a role player that has no creation skills and will not be on a good team.

I don’t hate the move, I just don’t find it necessary to devote that much money to a guy that is inconsequential to the win / loss total of a bad team....even ignoring his injury history.

I just find an early extension like Nance’s something bad teams do. Like they need something to show for that trade when Clarkson either gets traded or cut.

Maybe I’m just overly pessimistic about this FO regime.

Well, the cap is set to jump from 102M this year to 109M for 2019-20 and then 118M for 2020-21 (with the luxury tax up to 143M). 10M/year will soon be par for the course for fringe rotation guys, IMO.

 

[Nathan S]

Let's talk about Nance and how he's a good player that we should feel happy about.