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I checked on twitter on both the WKYC Sports page, and WKYC page.
Nothing.
Also searched twitter and nothing came up.
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No, it's not that we're "trying to trade Dion"...it's that according to Dion himself, he expects to be traded. It's not even a surprise...he was on record saying that two weeks ago. His full comments were he expected one of him or Kyrie to be traded this summer...and it's obviously not gonna be Kyrie after he just signed this extension.
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Just spoke with Donovan and he told me that LeBron is... "AT THE TWENTY, FIFTEEN, TEN, CUTBACK, FIVE..........TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Don't think I'm going to use him as a source anymore. That was a stupid answer to my question.
Don't think I'm going to use him as a source anymore. That was a stupid answer to my question.
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From Terry Pluto
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Cleveland Cavaliers talking to Gordon Hayward, but any deal will be complicated -- Terry Pluto
on July 02, 2014 at 4:50 PM, updated July 02, 2014 at 5:26 PM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Yes, the Cavs are meeting with restricted free agent Gordon Hayward. But it's doubtful any offer sheet will be coming in the next day or so for the 24-year-old small forward.
Nor has the team decided to make the Utah's leading scorer a maximum offer. That would be $63 million over four seasons -- although it may eventually come to that.
From what I've been told, the Cavs know they will have to pay a lot for Hayward. Utah has about $30 million in salary cap room and may match any offer Hayward receives.
Can you say "Sign-and-trade?" That is a more likely possibility. The Cavs and Utah had extensive talks before the draft, with the Jazz wanting the No. 1 pick to grab Jabari Parker. The teams may have a good idea of what players could be available in the right trade.
Before an offer sheet is delivered or a sign-and-trade deal seriously pursued, the Cavs and Hayward want to get to know each other.
Hayward played at Butler and lives in Indianapolis, so Cleveland has an attraction to him. The Cavs have David Blatt as their coach, the Euroleague import. Hayward definitely would want to meet Blatt first, an unknown to the majority of NBA players.
The Cavs also would want to determined how "all in" Hayward would be here. The interview is crucial to both parties.
The dollars
Utah was unable to sign Hayward to a long-term deal before last season -- allowing him to become a restricted free agent. The Jazz have said they can match any offer he receives, with a restricted free agent limited to no more than a four-year, $63 million maximum deal from another team. A max contract from Utah would be about $85 million for five years.
So in some ways, it makes more sense (and saves dollars) for the Jazz to let Hayward find his own deal elsewhere.
Hayward is represented by Mark Bartelstein, a veteran agent who has used offer sheets in the past. He negotiated the offer sheet that Miami gave to Hot Rod Williams in 1990, $26 million for seven years. The Cavs matched it.
Another history is this: In 2010, Wes Matthews was a restricted free agent with Utah. Portland gave him a five-year, $32 million deal. But the contract included a huge signing bonus ($5.6 million). That combined with the first-year salary meant he was paid $9.2 million in the first 12 months. Matthews had averaged only 9.4 points as a rookie and was on a one-year contract. Utah decided not to match the deal.
Matthews has been a 14-point scorer in the last four years for Portland.
Hard to imagine Utah allowing Hayward to walk away. Utah has salary cap room, as do the Cavs. So it would not be a shock if an offer sheet is extended, and then trade talks start.
Why the Cavs want Hayward
He's a 6-foot-8 small forward who passes well (5.2 assists last season) and has been a solid outside shooter for most of his four-year career. Phoenix supposedly also has a strong interest, as Suns coach Jeff Hornacek believes Hayward would work well in his move-the-ball offense.
Last season, Hayward averaged a career-high 16.2 points, but shot a dismal .413 from the field and .304 on 3-pointers.
He was asked to be the leading scorer on a young team featuring Alec Burks, Trey Burke and Derrick Favors. At times, he struggled to create his own shot. The Cavs have Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters, who not only are expected to be the leading scorers, but put pressure on defenses by driving to the rim. That creates open shots for forwards, especially the small forward.
In 2012-13, Hayward averaged 14.1 points, shooting .430 (.415 on 3-pointers).
The Cavs definitely want big men with 3-point shooting range. It's why their own free agent, Spencer Hawes, and Channing Frye (Phoenix) are attractive to them. Hawes has met with Portland, but the Blazers don't have enough cap room. That would require a sign-and-trade.
I'm told the Cavs -- at least for now -- prefer to keep Hawes. Meanwhile, C.J. Miles agreed to a four-year, $18 million deal with the Pacers.
Griffin and Blatt like tall, athletic players. And they like shooters. They have already discussed using 6-foot-8 rookie Andrew Wiggins at shooting guard, assuming they find a small forward. If they work a deal for Hayward, they'd have Irving, Wiggins and Hayward all 24 years old or younger -- and all tied to long-term deals.
Would that mean trading Waiters and others to Utah? Possibly. Right now, all that's certain is the Cavs and Hayward are doing the NBA's version of dating, but lots must happen before there can be a marriage.
One final note: The pursuit of Hayward indicates the Cavs are not just sitting back and waiting on LeBron James. Of course they'd love the MVP to come home, but they also know they can't count on that happening.
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Cleveland Cavaliers talking to Gordon Hayward, but any deal will be complicated -- Terry Pluto
on July 02, 2014 at 4:50 PM, updated July 02, 2014 at 5:26 PM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Yes, the Cavs are meeting with restricted free agent Gordon Hayward. But it's doubtful any offer sheet will be coming in the next day or so for the 24-year-old small forward.
Nor has the team decided to make the Utah's leading scorer a maximum offer. That would be $63 million over four seasons -- although it may eventually come to that.
From what I've been told, the Cavs know they will have to pay a lot for Hayward. Utah has about $30 million in salary cap room and may match any offer Hayward receives.
Can you say "Sign-and-trade?" That is a more likely possibility. The Cavs and Utah had extensive talks before the draft, with the Jazz wanting the No. 1 pick to grab Jabari Parker. The teams may have a good idea of what players could be available in the right trade.
Before an offer sheet is delivered or a sign-and-trade deal seriously pursued, the Cavs and Hayward want to get to know each other.
Hayward played at Butler and lives in Indianapolis, so Cleveland has an attraction to him. The Cavs have David Blatt as their coach, the Euroleague import. Hayward definitely would want to meet Blatt first, an unknown to the majority of NBA players.
The Cavs also would want to determined how "all in" Hayward would be here. The interview is crucial to both parties.
The dollars
Utah was unable to sign Hayward to a long-term deal before last season -- allowing him to become a restricted free agent. The Jazz have said they can match any offer he receives, with a restricted free agent limited to no more than a four-year, $63 million maximum deal from another team. A max contract from Utah would be about $85 million for five years.
So in some ways, it makes more sense (and saves dollars) for the Jazz to let Hayward find his own deal elsewhere.
Hayward is represented by Mark Bartelstein, a veteran agent who has used offer sheets in the past. He negotiated the offer sheet that Miami gave to Hot Rod Williams in 1990, $26 million for seven years. The Cavs matched it.
Another history is this: In 2010, Wes Matthews was a restricted free agent with Utah. Portland gave him a five-year, $32 million deal. But the contract included a huge signing bonus ($5.6 million). That combined with the first-year salary meant he was paid $9.2 million in the first 12 months. Matthews had averaged only 9.4 points as a rookie and was on a one-year contract. Utah decided not to match the deal.
Matthews has been a 14-point scorer in the last four years for Portland.
Hard to imagine Utah allowing Hayward to walk away. Utah has salary cap room, as do the Cavs. So it would not be a shock if an offer sheet is extended, and then trade talks start.
Why the Cavs want Hayward
He's a 6-foot-8 small forward who passes well (5.2 assists last season) and has been a solid outside shooter for most of his four-year career. Phoenix supposedly also has a strong interest, as Suns coach Jeff Hornacek believes Hayward would work well in his move-the-ball offense.
Last season, Hayward averaged a career-high 16.2 points, but shot a dismal .413 from the field and .304 on 3-pointers.
He was asked to be the leading scorer on a young team featuring Alec Burks, Trey Burke and Derrick Favors. At times, he struggled to create his own shot. The Cavs have Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters, who not only are expected to be the leading scorers, but put pressure on defenses by driving to the rim. That creates open shots for forwards, especially the small forward.
In 2012-13, Hayward averaged 14.1 points, shooting .430 (.415 on 3-pointers).
The Cavs definitely want big men with 3-point shooting range. It's why their own free agent, Spencer Hawes, and Channing Frye (Phoenix) are attractive to them. Hawes has met with Portland, but the Blazers don't have enough cap room. That would require a sign-and-trade.
I'm told the Cavs -- at least for now -- prefer to keep Hawes. Meanwhile, C.J. Miles agreed to a four-year, $18 million deal with the Pacers.
Griffin and Blatt like tall, athletic players. And they like shooters. They have already discussed using 6-foot-8 rookie Andrew Wiggins at shooting guard, assuming they find a small forward. If they work a deal for Hayward, they'd have Irving, Wiggins and Hayward all 24 years old or younger -- and all tied to long-term deals.
Would that mean trading Waiters and others to Utah? Possibly. Right now, all that's certain is the Cavs and Hayward are doing the NBA's version of dating, but lots must happen before there can be a marriage.
One final note: The pursuit of Hayward indicates the Cavs are not just sitting back and waiting on LeBron James. Of course they'd love the MVP to come home, but they also know they can't count on that happening.
The Cleveland Cavaliers will not be giving restricted free agent small forward Gordon Hayward an offer sheet after his visit with the team on Wednesday, a person with knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports.
The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the situation. Hayward, 23, is one of the top young free agents on the market, but the widespread belief is that the Utah Jazz would match any offer that comes his way. As USA TODAY Sports reported Monday, Hayward was expected to draw interest from the Boston Celtics, Phoenix Suns, the Lakers, Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Houston Rockets, Memphis Grizzlies and others.
HAYWARD: More on his situation
FREE AGENCY: The complete list
The Cavaliers' reluctance to tie up a large chunk of their salary cap space (approximately $16 million) may or may not be tied up to their belief that LeBron James is still considering the notion of leaving the Miami Heat. They have been considered a legitimate option for the four-time MVP, who played seven seasons for the Cavs in his home state before leaving in 2010, but teams have become increasingly skeptical that he's strongly considering an exit.
While everything in the free agency period that officially began on Tuesday is fluid, Hayward, who so many expected to leave Cleveland today with an offer sheet in hand, headed out of town without one after all.
The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the situation. Hayward, 23, is one of the top young free agents on the market, but the widespread belief is that the Utah Jazz would match any offer that comes his way. As USA TODAY Sports reported Monday, Hayward was expected to draw interest from the Boston Celtics, Phoenix Suns, the Lakers, Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Houston Rockets, Memphis Grizzlies and others.
HAYWARD: More on his situation
FREE AGENCY: The complete list
The Cavaliers' reluctance to tie up a large chunk of their salary cap space (approximately $16 million) may or may not be tied up to their belief that LeBron James is still considering the notion of leaving the Miami Heat. They have been considered a legitimate option for the four-time MVP, who played seven seasons for the Cavs in his home state before leaving in 2010, but teams have become increasingly skeptical that he's strongly considering an exit.
While everything in the free agency period that officially began on Tuesday is fluid, Hayward, who so many expected to leave Cleveland today with an offer sheet in hand, headed out of town without one after all.
My DVR is set to record WKYC's 6:00 PM news every day. This evening, Donovan reported, Hayward was in town. He also said the Cavs have moved on from Lebron. He went as far as saying the Cavs phone calls have not been returned. He did not quote a source. He also, quoted Sam The Bullshit Whisperer; saying Dion Waiters has said, he expects to be traded. I wouldn't make this stuff up.
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I think if you do a normal offer sheet Utah matches. However say Cleveland offers them 2015 MIA and 2015 MEM 1sts for max Hayward? I think Utah considers that one.
In modern NBA you can't get nothing for assets like Hayward even if you don't like the contract. You match and then trade them after if you have to. But with two mid-late 1sts they get some return on their investment to make them feel better about letting him go.
In modern NBA you can't get nothing for assets like Hayward even if you don't like the contract. You match and then trade them after if you have to. But with two mid-late 1sts they get some return on their investment to make them feel better about letting him go.
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Two 1s and a max deal for a guy who may or may not be worth a max deal? Not interested.
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Your first mistake is getting sports information from a local newscast. Anything they say there will appear on here LOOOOONG before that if it has any validity.
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I would be furious if the Cavs use their cap space AND best assets on Gordon Hayward.
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There's a clause in the CBA that says a team cannot offer items in a trade to keep the other team form matching an offer sheet. There have been rare cases in the past where a S&T was worked out after the restricted free agent signed the offer sheet was signed. I think what has to happen there is you need everyone (both teams & player) to agree to scrap the offer letter and start over, but those cases are pretty rare and the player usually asks for money money in the process.
I'm pretty glad that the Hayward stuff blew over yesterday. Not sure he's worth that much money. Almost certain he's not worth that much money if depletes all of the Cavs cap space on the second day of free agency. A move for Hayward could make more sense closer to the 10th after the questions about the front court are worked out.
Gordon Hayward is not a fan of Cleveland
July 2, 2014 by Craig Lyndall
Sometimes it’s better to just keep quiet than to say something that could come back to bite you.
Gordon Hayward had this little nugget about Cleveland in an interview following practice on February 25th, 2014. He was asked about his favorite and least-favorite places to play in the NBA.
Least favorite, I would say, like, especially since I’ve been in the league, probably Cleveland. Cleveland to me is like Gotham City. It’s, like, so dreary, and just, I don’t know, and then ever since LeBron [James] left, I mean, the fans, they’re starting to pick up a little bit more, but I remember my rookie year, there was hardly anybody there.
So, that makes for a tough atmosphere when you have to go on the road, and you know, there’s absolutely no energy given to you, and there’s not even any energy in the building given to them, hardly either, so that’s a tough place to play.
As if Cavaliers fans weren’t sweating hard enough already with the thought of paying a 24-year-old that many of them (be honest) hadn’t really much heard of before the day started. And yet the Internet is exploding with talk about the Cavaliers potentially preparing to offer him a “max” deal for as many as four years and as much as $60 million?
And it isn’t like Hayward went nuclear on Cleveland like Joakim Noah did, but this is sure to test the inferiority complex of many many Cleveland fans who aren’t unfamiliar with going nuclear toward even the smallest of the city’s detractors.
My advice is obviously to chill, but I wouldn’t bet on a lot of Twitter users to heed that.
July 2, 2014 by Craig Lyndall
Sometimes it’s better to just keep quiet than to say something that could come back to bite you.
Gordon Hayward had this little nugget about Cleveland in an interview following practice on February 25th, 2014. He was asked about his favorite and least-favorite places to play in the NBA.
Least favorite, I would say, like, especially since I’ve been in the league, probably Cleveland. Cleveland to me is like Gotham City. It’s, like, so dreary, and just, I don’t know, and then ever since LeBron [James] left, I mean, the fans, they’re starting to pick up a little bit more, but I remember my rookie year, there was hardly anybody there.
So, that makes for a tough atmosphere when you have to go on the road, and you know, there’s absolutely no energy given to you, and there’s not even any energy in the building given to them, hardly either, so that’s a tough place to play.
As if Cavaliers fans weren’t sweating hard enough already with the thought of paying a 24-year-old that many of them (be honest) hadn’t really much heard of before the day started. And yet the Internet is exploding with talk about the Cavaliers potentially preparing to offer him a “max” deal for as many as four years and as much as $60 million?
And it isn’t like Hayward went nuclear on Cleveland like Joakim Noah did, but this is sure to test the inferiority complex of many many Cleveland fans who aren’t unfamiliar with going nuclear toward even the smallest of the city’s detractors.
My advice is obviously to chill, but I wouldn’t bet on a lot of Twitter users to heed that.
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Lyndall is one of the guys that writes for WFNY, they're alright. Tend to be on the sensationalist side of things most of the time though and concentrate more on personal opinion then actual analysis of a situation (most of the time)