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Guardians Hire Stephen Vogt as Their New Manager

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The case could easily be made that with the heavy explosion and adoption of analytics in baseball, that the days of an MLB manager *needing* to be a tactical genius are pretty much long gone.

Just my opinion, but there's so much useful data out there that quite frankly a spreadsheet/computer program can effectively manage a game from a pure "this is the optimal decision based on the information we have and are using to project the future" standpoint.

Where good managers separate themselves from bad managers IMO is on the interpersonal level. The ability to connect with players. The ability to keep them motivated. The ability to understand that a certain guy needs a kick in the ass where another guy needs an arm around his shoulder.

With that in mind, I very much think being an MLB bullpen coach (and by extension a long-time MLB catcher), is a far better preparation for what it takes to manage at the MLB level than managing in the minors is.

Managing in the minors is fine experience, but it's a completely different animal than managing at the big league level because the overarching goals in each case are often dramatically different.

Agree. And there is something I like about a guy that has played for a bunch of organizations and a bunch of managers because they have seen the approaches they think work best. You seldom hear anyone talk about some brilliant managerial move during a game. Situations tend to dictate only a couple of options. You often are left picking the 30% positive option over the 20% positive option meaning neither is likely to work.
 
Keith Law shitting all over the hire, no surprise there.

Using Vogt as another example of a white gut with no experience with no qualifications getting a job over a minority who is more experienced and more qualified. Insert eye role.
Pretty ballsy by Law.
Cleveland's record on minority's is pretty good.
1st Black American in the AL.
1st Mexican in the AL
1st Black American Manager
Venable didn't want to come.
Mendoza took the Mets job
- Gimme a break.
 
Pretty ballsy by Law.
Cleveland's record on minority's is pretty good.
1st Black American in the AL.
1st Mexican in the AL
1st Black American Manager
Venable didn't want to come.
Mendoza took the Mets job
- Gimme a break.

It's an extremely bad take...
 
My interpretation of this... I think they were looking for guidance, not trying to interview them. Idk what the gray area is there.

I feel like it was more of the head to the bar for a drink with coworkers and just chat about things... A good portion of players are friends with people from other clubs than their own...
 
I’m guessing it’s simpler.

A lot of fromt offices around the league have guys who came up under Shapiro, Antonetti, and Chernoff and have friendly and trust based relationships with our current FO. Probably checked in first and hit informal blessing ti have these conversations
 
Pretty ballsy by Law.
Cleveland's record on minority's is pretty good.
1st Black American in the AL.
1st Mexican in the AL
1st Black American Manager
Venable didn't want to come.
Mendoza took the Mets job
- Gimme a break.
I think he's a idiot and most of his takes are bad. To give Cleveland shit for hiring Vogt is ignoring everything they've done in regards to minorities. Will there ever come a day when race isn't a topic and positions are given to the folks that deserve them? It's rather tiring and anyone that disregards hiring the most deserving candidate because of race can suck on a fat one.

If there was an issue in Cleveland of racial bias I'd rather here it from a person of color, not Law's cracker ass.
 
I think he's a idiot and most of his takes are bad. To give Cleveland shit for hiring Vogt is ignoring everything they've done in regards to minorities. Will there ever come a day when race isn't a topic and positions are given to the folks that deserve them? It's rather tiring and anyone that disregards hiring the most deserving candidate because of race can suck on a fat one.

If there was an issue in Cleveland of racial bias I'd rather here it from a person of color, not Law's cracker ass.
I forgot to mention the big one. We even changed our effin name so we wouldn't insult a minority!
 
Can anyone link me to or paraphrase Keith Law’s critique?
 
Can anyone link me to or paraphrase Keith Law’s critique?
Look at my previous post. I quoted him word for word his thoughts. That was via X/Twitter.
 
Keith Law shitting all over the hire, no surprise there.

Using Vogt as another example of a white gut with no experience with no qualifications getting a job over a minority who is more experienced and more qualified. Insert eye role.

Keith Law probably says Hue Jackson was fired for racial reasons. :chuckle:
 

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