Hickson traded to Kings for Casspi and (protected) 1st Rd Pick

[Jon]

I'm with you on the Hickson point Jon, but when Casspi only played a total of 38 minutes in the last 13 games, and he was healthy in those 13 games, I don't know why people would hang their hat on that statistic.

We can afford to give Casspi a lot of minutes, so I think he'll be happy in the short run, but we should definitely be concerned whether in the long-run he will accept coming off the bench as a role player. It sounds like he got in the dog house with Westphal. He won't run his mouth as much with the Cavs. We run a tighter ship, and simply don't put up with it. He should enjoy the philosophy differences, though, as he *says* he's looking for a more team-oriented style of play.

He has a quick, but low release, so he should be pretty effective burying kick outs ala Shawn Marion. In fact, he's made 47% of his corner 3's. Given the fact he's 6'9" it would be nice if he had a traditional jump shot as it would open up a lot more shots for him, but I have no clue if he's even working on it.

Anyway, I think our primary goal was to get a #1 pick for JJ, so, the fact we get to take a look at Casspi as well is just a bonus.

 

[abraxas]

I had seen that statistic earlier in the thread. I want to believe that Casspi was right and the entire Sacramento organization was wrong. I want to believe that he was their best player and the idiot coaches didn't realize it. Somehow, that just doesn't add up for me.

I know this sounds crazy, but it just speaks to the level of dysfunction there has been there over the past couple seasons. I live near Sac and Oakland so have followed both teams closely and believe me, the dysfunction in GS did not come close to reaching the level of dysfunction in Sac. One of the few bright spots in Sac was Casspi, and the fans were as bewildered as we are looking back trying to make sense of what happened to him. He was too. He was a fan favorite (ala Andy in his younger days) who plays with passion, fire and smarts, despite some athletic shortcomings. The team was an absolute mess and Westphal was just throwing anything together to see if it would stick. Casspi basically received 0 coaching while there and that's why I am very hopeful for how much he will learn and progress under Scott.

While I certainly agree we need to temper our expectations (I'm still hoping Erden turns into a staring center and Eyenga a starting sg, so I have a lot on my plate), where I'm coming from is that many on here have been acting like we got fleeced in this deal, both by the pick and Casspi for JJ. I don't believe it to be the case that Grant panicked, I believe that they've been following him since 2008, and he fits into what we're trying to build. I believe they got a quality piece for a guy that did not fit in what we were trying to do, and who has a higher risk than Casspi. I also think that once we see him in action we will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Tornicade]

Garcia outplayed Casspi so he got to start. Greene was the best defensively. Kings are the perfect example of what happens when you have a bunch of young talent with nearly no veteran leadership.

 

[Douglar]

Defense is another area where Casspi struggles, particularly in one-on-one situations. Synergy's data show opponents scored on Casspi 47.4 percent of the time in isolation settings, getting 1.011 points per play. Thus, Casspi ranks in just the 17th percentile of the entire NBA in that area.

I file that stat under Casspi's bad situation. He was on a team with players that gave reliably defensive help as often as JJ Hickson did last year and the system was "every man for himself". Casspi's got the length, mindset and mobility to be a decent NBA defender, but he's not going to thrive unless he's in a system where he can get and give help. He's be a good fit in a Mike Brown or Popovich system. On the other hand, JJ Hickson seems to have found his level.

 

[DougHeil]

lol This thread is still going on? I'm thinking we should give Omri at least one practice on the court with his new team before coming to any conclusions.

 

[MalTalm]

lol This thread is still going on? I'm thinking we should give Omri at least one practice on the court with his new team before coming to any conclusions.

The way things look, that may be a couple years. We need to talk about something in the meantime

 

[JimmyJazz]

OMG, so if the Cavs draft or acquire white players it is a bad move? So if Mel Turpin and Dirk Nowitzki are the same age and in the same draft we take Turpin then? My head hurts after reading your "enlightening" post. Please put down the race card.

 

[Randolphkeys]

OMG, so if the Cavs draft or acquire white players it is a bad move? So if Mel Turpin and Dirk Nowitzki are the same age and in the same draft we take Turpin then? My head hurts after reading your "enlightening" post. Please put down the race card.

Are you referring to my post? Hard to tell. As already stated, the entire last paragraph of my post was a joke. Paxson and Ferry both had a history of chasing after players with very similar skills and traits as they did as players.


Now a tall guy who looks like this:

...traded for a guy who looks like this:

It's objectively a hilarious joke. It's the best joke I've come up with this week, aside from calling the adorable child of a white woman and an Indian guy I know a Hindi-honkey.

 

[cavfanintexas]

The big point is we got rid of JJ and picked up two assets, that a win in my book. We had 5 PF and no SF, we can now see if Eyenga/Gee/Harris can play SG. This is what rebuilding is, you add assets and try to find player that fit your plan.

 

[Urban]

Not a whole lot of need to dissect this trade any further. Let's wait a year or two and see how both players play for their respected teams and if the Kings can slip into the playoffs with a #8 seed.

Jamison deal looked like a steal, he didn't work out and hopefully we're only stuck with him for another year. You could say same for the Shaq deal as well I guess but he was playing great until Big Baby smashed his thumb. And of course everyone was botching we took Ward over Mays (me included) and that worked out great.

Let's just wait it out, same goes for Tristain Thomas. And if most of you are right about both that pick and this trade you folks can come on here and "told you so," celebrating the failures of our franchise because you love being right and would make a kick-ass NBA GM.

/rant, continue your endless analyzations of players/picks who have never played a game in a Cavs uniform and likely won't for another 15 months.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Not a whole lot of need to dissect this trade any further. Let's wait a year or two and see how both players play for their respected teams and if the Kings can slip into the playoffs with a #8 seed.

Jamison deal looked like a steal, he didn't work out and hopefully we're only stuck with him for another year. You could say same for the Shaq deal as well I guess but he was playing great until Big Baby smashed his thumb. And of course everyone was botching we took Ward over Mays (me included) and that worked out great.

Let's just wait it out, same goes for Tristain Thomas. And if most of you are right about both that pick and this trade you folks can come on here and "told you so," celebrating the failures of our franchise because you love being right and would make a kick-ass NBA GM.

/rant, continue your endless analyzations of players/picks who have never played a game in a Cavs uniform.

Kinda judgmental for a guy who can't pronounce Tristan Thompson's name correctly. IMO, you can't limit the amount of discussion Cavs fans have about the team, especially on a Cavaliers fan forum. The fact that J.J. and Casspi need a season or two to prove who really got a leg up in the trade is a given.

BTW: I told you all that the Jamison trade wouldn't work out when it happened... I'm great.

 

[Lee]

Kinda judgmental for a guy who can't pronounce Tristan Thompson's name correctly. IMO, you can't limit the amount of discussion Cavs fans have about the team, especially on a Cavaliers fan forum. The fact that J.J. and Casspi need a season or two to prove who really got a leg up in the trade is a given.

BTW: I told you all that the Jamison trade wouldn't work out when it happened... I'm great.

I was never a huge fan of the trade either, but lets all be real and say back then we were willing to sell our soul for the 'ship. I was hoping for better options, but this was the only one out there. I wont rewrite my history and say I was opposed either, just wasnt dancing in the streets.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Basically, it seems the FO's philosophy in acquiring players for our team is a departure of taking on highly potential filled players with questionable brain for high quality humans who will work their asses off and buy in to a team-oriented ball. "Hard work trumps talent" That's probably the idea.

 

[Urban]

Kinda judgmental for a guy who can't pronounce Tristan Thompson's name correctly. IMO, you can't limit the amount of discussion Cavs fans have about the team, especially on a Cavaliers fan forum. The fact that J.J. and Casspi need a season or two to prove who really got a leg up in the trade is a given.

BTW: I told you all that the Jamison trade wouldn't work out when it happened... I'm great.

iPad changed it to Thomas, I'll admit I screwed up the Tristan part though.

Overall I'm just sick of the negativity and the "if I was GM..." attitudes.

 

[Smooth]

Interesting rating system via BasketballReference:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9780
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9786

They ranked the top 593 players for 2012 according to a combination of APBRmetrics... The results? Hickson ranked as the 348th player overall and 58th center...

Casspi came in as the 395th player overall and 51st small forward...