Fair enough. But it's also true we had him under contract for two more years, and we let him out of that. Kobe Bryant demanded a trade, publicly, in 2007 and the Lakers managed to keep him. I'll try to, as Northcoast says, "give it a rest", but it still hurts that we let a player under contract bully us into a trade to our biggest East rival.
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Fair enough. But it's also true we had him under contract for two more years, and we let him out of that. Kobe Bryant demanded a trade, publicly, in 2007 and the Lakers managed to keep him. I'll try to, as Northcoast says, "give it a rest", but it still hurts that we let a player under contract bully us into a trade to our biggest East rival.
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From what I've read (so obviously not considered fact), Kyrie was being a huge bitch for the entire process. Not willing to talk to the team, show up to camp, ect. Essentially he would have been a black cloud within the organization and it somehow would have been worse than it is now. Haha.
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Wanna wish good luck to Love trying to defend Howard in the post. May god have mercy on your soul.
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If Dwight wants to post up that’ll be a win for us. I pray they don’t run too many PNRs.
Is he gonna hit a mid range jumper this season? His threes haven't been bad and finishing around the rim is inconsistent but normal. Has anyone else noticed he's missed basically all of his shot from the 15-18 range?
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Love completely outplayed Howard all game long.
As expected, this thread is crickets about it as it's going on.
Maybe @Mavaliersfan or @SanduskyCav can try to claim Frye was the real reason Howard had his ass handed to him, though.
He is having an odd season with some wild deviations in performances. Perhaps it is just more noticeable now that he is the second option. Just in the last 6, great against the Bucks, Mavs and tonight but awful against the Hawks and Knicks, so-so at the Rockets.
Just never know with him, which understandably to an extent can be very frustrating for the fans.
Just never know with him, which understandably to an extent can be very frustrating for the fans.
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Kobe wanted out because his team was mediocre and had no chance to win a championship.
The team went out and got one of the best big men in the game(Gasol), that was a perfect triangle fit and gave them an amazing front-court with Odom and Bynum.
Went on to win 2 titles..
The Cavs went to 3 straight finals, won 1, and were heavy favorites to go back to #4.
Kyrie wanted out for a totally different reason. Had nothing to do with winning. That could not be fixed.
Kyrie waned to be the face of a franchise, with a supporting cast tailored around his strengths and weaknesses.
We have LeBron, and a cast tailored around LeBron's strength and weaknesses.
The only way to appease Kyrie so that he'd stay would have literally been to trade LeBron and re-tool the entire roster.
Not only would that be unreasonable, it would be impossible because LeBron has a no-trade clause.
So the Kobe comparison holds pretty much 0 water in this conversation. We had to trade Irving, unfortunately.
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This is all starting to make a bit of sense defensively.
In that second half, they rarely had Kevin Love (when he was on the floor), Channing or Green icing at all on defensive possessions. The entire defensive rotation compressed - none of that bullshit Fred Flintstone-like twinkle toes PnR D.
It’s clear that a huge adjustment was made which makes me wonder why the coaching staff were so persistent with it in the first place.
In that second half, they rarely had Kevin Love (when he was on the floor), Channing or Green icing at all on defensive possessions. The entire defensive rotation compressed - none of that bullshit Fred Flintstone-like twinkle toes PnR D.
It’s clear that a huge adjustment was made which makes me wonder why the coaching staff were so persistent with it in the first place.
we had him under contract. What's he going to do, waste two years of his prime deliberately playing badly or refusing to play? We didn't play hardball with him, or with the Celtics really.
anyway, water under the bridge now.
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Like, I get his problems, but people talking about trading him Favors just sound dumb.
It's a talent downgrade and if that weren't bad enough, you're trading a guy with 2 years left on his deal for a guy with 1.
Now, does it suck that if Lebron leaves we probably won't get a ton back for Love? Yea. But if we can get just a single guy on a rookie deal with promise, that'd be better. Like if we could snag a rookie like Indiana got (Sabonis) that's better than trading him for Favors.
It's a talent downgrade and if that weren't bad enough, you're trading a guy with 2 years left on his deal for a guy with 1.
Now, does it suck that if Lebron leaves we probably won't get a ton back for Love? Yea. But if we can get just a single guy on a rookie deal with promise, that'd be better. Like if we could snag a rookie like Indiana got (Sabonis) that's better than trading him for Favors.
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At some point somebody finally realize that the Cavs are either incapable of physically icing the PnR properly or were flat out unwilling. Was a disaster every time.
Definitely a fact. And the players have wondered the same thing at times.
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He was at least going to ATTEMPT to hold-out. I dug deep into this. That was a real threat (I thought it was just noise). Him and his dad had a whole media-war/hold-out scenario planned.
Even if he did play, he would have been pure locker room poison.
Forcing him to stay here against his wishes would have just written LeBron's guaranteed ticket out of town, while at the same time ruining Kyrie's value.
We still have an all-star PG, guy that scored almost 30 a game last year on an all-time elite TS%, that we got in the trade...that is only about 3-4 weeks away from coming back. He could very well step in as our "high level all-star". He should fit here perfectly. Great shooter on and off the ball. Can run an offense. Find the open man. Score in isolation, etc.
Love doesn't have to be a high level all-star to be worth keeping. Love is giving us great production and he's going to likely be relegated to the #3 guy when IT comes back. So maybe it's a good thing that he's still focusing on operating within those parameters.
grumble grumble. Fair enough I guess. But I think IT's defensive issues are going to be a big deal, and will make it a very tough decision as to whether to re-sign him -- and if we don't re-sign him I'm not sure what we do.
Regarding Love, I definitely never said he wasn't worth keeping. I said he was a very good player and borderline all-star but not a #2 option on a championship team, which is pretty obviously true. But he's an important part of the team (we definitely looked worse without him last year when he was down) and I'd only package him in a trade for a higher level player.