Koby Altman

[The Red Viper]

This was not an easy job to come into. Especially considering the circumstances. The entire farce surrounding the job, having to deal with the pressure and expectations of having a player like LeBron on your roster and then answering to Dan Gilbert as your owner. It would be exhausting to any GM. Then add the Kyrie situation, it just makes the entire thing a very delicate situation!

Fuck up the Kyrie trade, LeBron most likely leaves and we are left with not much assets or draft picks. His first trade could have decided his entire tenure here and its not fair. But props to him for keeping the patience and not pulling the trigger earlier on some not so great deals. This trade effectively still keeps us very competetive, while ensuring we have some sort of plan/direction even if LeBron leaves next summer with the Brooklyn pick and assets like Crowder and Zizic etc.

Well Done!

 

[sailfish]

Just as I have said before with Griffin, that he cannot take all the glory or blame because Gilbert and Nate Forbes are HEAVILY involved in the Cavs' moves, same thing for Altman....he deserves SOME of the glory, but so does Gilbert and Nate Forbes.

Its the same reason why Gilbert does not view GMs as highly as important as other teams do.

This! I can certainly understand Gilbert & Forbes being heavily involved, especially with a trade of this magnitude. Their charge will be to let Altman be the GM, without micromanaging him and being overly meddlesome. Gilbert may see himself evolving into a Jerry Jones type of owner/GM role.

 

[buzzdog]

I understood the skepticism for Altman stepping up into the GM position, but I like everything I've seen so far from the guy. FWIW I have a strong gut feeling that he's going to somehow come out on top of this whole IT trade situation.

 

[brownindian]

I understood the skepticism for Altman stepping up into the GM position, but I like everything I've seen so far from the guy. FWIW I have a strong gut feeling that he's going to somehow come out on top of this whole IT trade situation.

We dont know how much Dan and or Nate are involved in the negotiations. The point i am making is that we thought the person before him did a good job and ditto for the person before that and we have been letting our GMs go without batting an eyelid. Surely if these guys were worth their weight in gold we would have atleast seen other teams hire them.

 

[buzzdog]

We dont know how much Dan and or Nate are involved in the negotiations. The point i am making is that we thought the person before him did a good job and ditto for the person before that and we have been letting our GMs go without batting an eyelid. Surely if these guys were worth their weight in gold we would have atleast seen other teams hire them.

I liked Griff but not the guys that preceded him. But I have a basic disagreement with the way Griff put the team together with one way players and a lack of attention to defensively minded players. That put us in an arms race with the Warriors we couldn't win. For that reason I don't see Griffin's departure as a negative at all, actually it may turn into a positive.

I can only hope Altman sees that the only chance we'll have to beat the Warriors is to go about it differently than we did last season, with more balance and tough defense.

 

[Tornicade]

We dont know how much Dan and or Nate are involved in the negotiations. The point i am making is that we thought the person before him did a good job and ditto for the person before that and we have been letting our GMs go without batting an eyelid. Surely if these guys were worth their weight in gold we would have atleast seen other teams hire them.

Well outside of Grant. Ferry was hired by Atlanta and by all accounts did an excellent job. Griffin has interviewed for one job which he backed out of.

Grant just made too many bad picks and more importantly he waited one year to late to surround his youth with talent and when he did make that push he failed miserably. Although grant did over see an expansion of the overseas drafting and a ramped up investment In the D League. He would need to work his way back up to GM status. Grant did some good things while with Cleveland.. such as setting the stage for a LeBron return, Acquiring a lottery pick that ended up as number 1 ,etc

 

[jvpertz]

Well outside of Grant. Ferry was hired by Atlanta and by all accounts did an excellent job. Griffin has interviewed for one job which he backed out of.

Grant just made too many bad picks and more importantly he waited one year to late to surround his youth with talent and when he did make that push he failed miserably. Although grant did over see an expansion of the overseas drafting and a ramped up investment In the D League. He would need to work his way back up to GM status. Grant did some good things while with Cleveland.. such as setting the stage for a LeBron return, Acquiring a lottery pick that ended up as number 1 ,etc

Grant just had the misfortune of drafting Anthony Bennet in a horrendous draft. It is that plain and simple. In a horrible draft, he drafted the worst number 1 player in the history of the NBA. He will forever be remembered for that.

Even though he came up aces in the 2011 draft by wheeling and dealing to get Kyrie and Tristan.

He basically made the right choice in drafting Wiggins....

And he made an OK pick in Dion Waiters. He went outside the box on that one, like Tristan in 2011, and it was merely a decent pick that did not pair well with Kyrie Irving AT ALL!

 

[buzzdog]

The Cavs have a history of horrible draft choices going all the way back to Paxson or if you want to go further to Stepien.

We had a stretch of competence during the Price Daugherty era but that all fell apart with the Ferry/Harper decision.

Other than drafting Lebron and Kyrie, and the aforementioned Daugherty/Price era, I'd have to say the Cavs drafting record has been disappointing to abysmal. Front office incompetence is essentially what forced Lebron to leave for Miami.

Griffin was an improvement but I along with many other observers always disliked his insistence on bringing in one dimensional players and Griff's complete disregard for defense.

The sky is the limit for Altman if he is simply of average competence. It's not a high bar for anyone be the better than all the previous Cavs GMs.

 

[UltraRadical-CavFanatical]

 

[shoes22]

Grant just had the misfortune of drafting Anthony Bennet in a horrendous draft. It is that plain and simple. In a horrible draft, he drafted the worst number 1 player in the history of the NBA. He will forever be remembered for that.

Even though he came up aces in the 2011 draft by wheeling and dealing to get Kyrie and Tristan.

He basically made the right choice in drafting Wiggins....

And he made an OK pick in Dion Waiters. He went outside the box on that one, like Tristan in 2011, and it was merely a decent pick that did not pair well with Kyrie Irving AT ALL!

Grant never drafted Wiggins.

 

[dano_24_26]

GM of the year!!

 

[weepinwillow]

Grant just had the misfortune of drafting Anthony Bennet in a horrendous draft. It is that plain and simple. In a horrible draft, he drafted the worst number 1 player in the history of the NBA. He will forever be remembered for that.

Even though he came up aces in the 2011 draft by wheeling and dealing to get Kyrie and Tristan.

He basically made the right choice in drafting Wiggins....

And he made an OK pick in Dion Waiters. He went outside the box on that one, like Tristan in 2011, and it was merely a decent pick that did not pair well with Kyrie Irving AT ALL!

as noted, Grant was gone when Wiggy was picked.

Grant's problem was that all of his drafts reaked of "smartest guy in the room" picks. Like he knew something nobody else knew. Bennett was the shining example of that on display. I guess to his credit he took Irving, as there were some who wanted Williams, Tristan has been good enough (though being the smartest guy in the room would have led to Klay Thompson, which would have led to no-splash brothers, which would have led to possibly 3 or 4 titles for Cleveland assuming James comes back still). Waiters, eh, he's a chucker, which wasn't a solid pairing with Irving.. Barnes was sort of the better fit, and Drummond was a clash with TT, so I guess there's a pass on Dion.

The Andrew Bynum signing and Mike Brown hiring (on the heels of Byron Scott, no less) were truly bad moves, as was the Jarret Jack move. He probably should have re-upped with Livingston after the team finally showed a little competitive drive.

I'd say Grant was pretty bad all the way around. He couldn't draft unless it was staring him the face, he couldn't hire a coach, and he couldn't sign complimentary players in free agency.

But other than that...

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Whatever respect I had for the Cavs organization (very little) goes out the window if they don't seek additional compensation in light of Cleveland doctors' diagnosis of Thomas.

 

[buzzdog]

Whatever respect I had for the Cavs organization (very little) goes out the window if they don't seek additional compensation in light of Cleveland doctors' diagnosis of Thomas.

To be clear, what exactly were your previous expectations and how did those change after IT's exam with the Cavs doctors?

My previous assumption was that in the best case IT would miss a month or 2 at the start of the season. Now I'm thinking Christmas to mid January.

Did you have a different assumption?

 

[The Oi]

as noted, Grant was gone when Wiggy was picked.

Grant's problem was that all of his drafts reaked of "smartest guy in the room" picks. Like he knew something nobody else knew. Bennett was the shining example of that on display. I guess to his credit he took Irving, as there were some who wanted Williams, Tristan has been good enough (though being the smartest guy in the room would have led to Klay Thompson, which would have led to no-splash brothers, which would have led to possibly 3 or 4 titles for Cleveland assuming James comes back still). Waiters, eh, he's a chucker, which wasn't a solid pairing with Irving.. Barnes was sort of the better fit, and Drummond was a clash with TT, so I guess there's a pass on Dion.

The Andrew Bynum signing and Mike Brown hiring (on the heels of Byron Scott, no less) were truly bad moves, as was the Jarret Jack move. He probably should have re-upped with Livingston after the team finally showed a little competitive drive.

I'd say Grant was pretty bad all the way around. He couldn't draft unless it was staring him the face, he couldn't hire a coach, and he couldn't sign complimentary players in free agency.

But other than that...

Some of those moves were probably pushed by Gilbert.