Let it all out. The Cavaliers Rant Thread

[Ruken]

That’s false..as I stated in other threads, there were multiple times where they tried to post Love up in the post in the first half and he was moved out of the paint like a rag doll. The Cavs then abandoned those attempts.

I understand that but just simply post ups are not the only thing we can run from him. What about some pick and pops or run some cuts with love at the elbow (I know a lot of this is not possible with Green out there because they just packed. The paint).

Hopefully the run fueled with nance out there forces Lue to come to his senses and start him.

 

[Triple-S]

Thanks for your well thought out post . I do appreciate even if others don’t .You would have been better off just saying Lue sucks and it’s all his fault the past 4 years and received a record breaking amount of likes and winners .

I'm critical of Lue as anyone but you're kinda handcuffed to him until LeBron states otherwise.

If LeBron leaves? He's not our problem anymore. We'll start over with a new coach, one that has a certain vision and someone to kinda guide the next generation of talent through.

I'm leaning towards him leaving at the moment because I can't quite see how you can kinda create a team in the short term good enough to get him another Championship.

 

[Rich]

Still need a legit 2nd option. We have someone who can play the role of the 3rd.

Well that's not happening, so adios LeBron I guess.

 

[NobodyImportant]

Kevin Love getting 8 shots in a playoff game is inexcusable. And even though you might put the blame on Lue for not setting up enough plays for him, I pin it entirely on Kevin Love himself. You HAVE to be the number 2 for the Cavs to have any shot of making a run. You have to be assertive. Go get yours. Get mad. Demand the damn ball! You scored 26ppg in Minny ffs! It's absurd for your all-star 2nd option to have 9 points on 8 shots. Absurd!

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

There was a series of moments that sort of doomed this Cavs team from bridging this out to further success.

1.) The 2015 run which pretty much led to two of the stars on this team not playing with LeBron in the finals.
2.) Said 2015 run creating this insanely ridiculous, smug juggernaut in the form of the Warriors. (Most people were not expecting them to be our finals opponent coming in, rather people were expecting the Thunder, Spurs, etc)
3.) The 2016 Warriors breaking records, recruiting a "Ring less" Durant to join their team thus ensuring that the the 2017 Finals were guaranteed to be slanted in their direction.
4.) The 2017 Cavaliers being sown the seeds of discontent even further with Kyrie just wanting to cut out of here like you wouldn't believe.
5.) Indiana REFUSING to trade with us in spite of us perhaps working out a good deal because Sam Pritchard didn't want to "help" us.
6.) Us taking the deal which led us to shipping up perhaps the 2nd best player in franchise history for a collection of magic beans and the potential of a high lottery pick.
7.) Us "slightly" being able to recoup on that pick with the son of a Cavs legend, but the franchise still seems up shit creek.

It's not a "curse" thing, it's a simple of getting things to break the right way and how insanely difficult that is to pull off.

It's not "over" per say, I just need to see a moment where I'm convinced otherwise.

This isn't like the 86 Browns where you can pinpoint the action or playcalling that wound up dooming that franchise (Don't play prevent defense against a guy like Elway). Rather there just seems to be almost a "Choose your own adventure"/Domino effect for each action listed above,

It does teach quite a few of us a lesson on how difficult it is to actually even get "one" championship in pro sports. I would imagine that the other franchises in Cleveland are taking note of this, and even the Cavaliers for future reference.

I'm annoyed because I know when the window shuts on a title appearance in the NBA? For a non-San Antonio, Boston or LA Lakers team? It shuts for quite a long time.

Just be ready. We're at least in better shape than 2010, but uh, this is going to be the last time we're discussing "playoffs" for a few seasons.

There are absolutely specific things you can point to that prevented the Cavs from having dynastic success (Durant fucking the league over and Kyrie wanting out being the main culprits), but more than anything, it's a case study between a well-run organization vs. a poor one.

The Warriors drafted exceptionally well, groomed their players, handed out smart contracts and therefore were sweepstakes winners of a once-in-a-lifetime cap spike. The Cavs failed on almost all of their picks, burned through their assets and overpaid role players whose productions nosedived. If we land on just ONE of our other picks, this all might be a different story.

The window is never fully closed when you have LeBron, but with the current outlook, we'll look back on these Cavs like history does the "Big 3" Celtics: a talented, enigmatic core that really oughta have won at least one more chip.

 

[Triple-S]

There are absolutely specific things you can point to that prevented the Cavs from having dynastic success (Durant fucking the league over and Kyrie wanting out being the main culprits), but really, it's more a case study between a well-run organization vs. a poor one.

The Warriors drafted exceptionally well, groomed their players, handed out smart contracts and therefore were sweepstakes winners of a once-in-a-lifetime cap spike. The Cavs failed on almost all of their picks, burned through their assets and overpaid role players whose productions nosedived. If we land on just ONE of our other picks, this all might be a different story.

The window is never fully closed when you have LeBron, but with the current outlook, we'll look back on these Cavs like history does the "Big 3" Celtics; a talented, enigmatic core that really oughta have won at least one more chip.

I mean it's not a slam on the warriors in terms of an organization (Though I cannot stand the players, coaches and ownership). Again...they were like you said? Set up to even be able to SIGN Durant in spite of having an insanely good roster to begin with.

But the Cavs seemed like they did exactly like you described. LeBron was coming, he wanted this done quick and done easy. He wasn't going to wait for the likes of a hypothetical Joel Embiid, Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins to "develop". He didn't have time for it.

So you had two options. You either did as he said? Or you were going to kiss the chance at a near guaranteed NBA title good bye.

They opted for the former. It worked out, but in the long term it will cost this organization.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

I mean it's not a slam on the warriors in terms of an organization (Though I cannot stand the players, coaches and ownership). Again...they were like you said? Set up to even be able to SIGN Durant in spite of having an insanely good roster to begin with.

But the Cavs seemed like they did exactly like you described. LeBron was coming, he wanted this done quick and done easy. He wasn't going to wait for the likes of a hypothetical Joel Embiid, Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins to "develop". He didn't have time for it.

So you had two options. You either did as he said? Or you were going to kiss the chance at a near guaranteed NBA title good bye.

They opted for the former. It worked out, but in the long term it will cost this organization.

Losing in '15 hurt. Some might argue that we might not have had the mettle to come back from being down 3-1 the following year had we already savored the juices of victory. But going back-to-back before the Warriors added Durant would have made our projections for the near-future much more endurable.

But hey, at least we got the one.

 

[Triple-S]

Losing in '15 hurt. Some might argue that we might not have had the mettle to come back from being down 3-1 the following year had we already savored the juices of victory. But going back-to-back before the Warriors added Durant would have made our projections for the near-future much more endurable.

But hey, at least we got the one.

The important thing with this, is you were able to
-Win the NBA Finals (first for the city since 1964)
-Win three NBA Conference titles
-Win four Central Divison titles

It's not a failure all things considered. I mean, again, the Celtics, Lakers DOMINATE this form of professional sports with 33 titles between them, and 52 appearances total. That's insane in terms of lack of parody. The only teams to have remotely pulled off what we're discussing outside of those have been the Bulls of the 90's, and the Tim Duncan Spurs from 1999 until 2014.

I mean look at what has happened to organizations like the Pistons, Rockets, even Heat after making little runs like they've made in the past. The window can come slamming down at times and it's generally a success that you were able to walk out with one title all things considered.

You have something to point to in the rafters now. You have a moment of NBA and Cleveland lore now. Kyrie and LeBron's numbers are likely rafter bound. LeBron is getting a statue outside of the Q. You had a roster designed to do that much.

But, post-Kyrie trade? This team is starting to remind me of the type of team LeBron left for Miami in 2010. Which is exactly what this team is at the moment.

I don't know if the window is still open. I think it's closed. But I would have liked to get LeBron just one more ring in his hometown, you know?

 

[LennoxLewis]

I mean imagine if LBJ took a paycut when he came back instead of having to trade away assets to give him the max. Like Jmoney mentioned, and it was an issue the 1st stint, the Cavs were never able to build a team or culture that's for the team. Our teams were built LeBron or bust, with Kyrie being that bailout option for what's really a simple offense.

It's honestly sad, I know we had a lot of roster turnover, but we should have an identity outside of get LBJ the ball, and get open for 3.

I'm not worried about the Pacers though, they kicked the Cavs in the mouth and I fully expect the Cavs to win this series. Going forward though, I'm no longer thinking it's a lock for the Cavs to get out the East.

 

[Green Lantern]

Ok..fellas I was not able to watch the game..only check the box score..what happened?
I know they scored under 20pts the first quarter but was it cold shooting or good D by the Pacers?

 

[Jstock12]

Ok..fellas I was not able to watch the game..only check the box score..what happened?
I know they scored under 20pts the first quarter but was it cold shooting or good D by the Pacers?

The Pacers had really nice closeouts.

 

[Ozcavs89]

It will all work out when we have kawhi

 

[SanduskyCav]

The Pacers had really nice closeouts.

We missed a ton of WIDE OPEN shots in the first half.

 

[RuanuLaw]

Was it me, or did it seem like the Pacers just played zone the rest of the game cause they saw the Cavs could not hit outside shots?

 

[Cavatt]

Cavs need to hoist 3's with Confidence. There are a lot of guys that can shoot the 3, but they all seemingly go cold at the same time. Even JR has really changed his game and is not just hoisting. He put up 2 last night looking like old JR, but I just see so many other teams just shoot the 3 without thinking.