Pat Riley Karma Safari / DWade to sign with Chicago

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Please. Not only will he not come here, I don't want him even if he wanted to. Just another high-usage offensive player, NO THANKS. If we bring in anybody it should a defensive specialist.

Fuck D-Wade.

 

[Jordan]

If Wade came here both he and JR would start:

PG: Ky
SG: Wade
SF: JR
PF: LBJ
C: Love

Wade's perimeter defense is elite, combined with the perimeter D that LeBron and JR offer, the defense shouldn't be a big problem. The offense would be nearly unguardable. All five guys on the floor are massive offensive threats. Then you bring RJ, TT, Frye, Shump, and Delly/Mo off the bench. I honestly think the depth on this team would be enough to crush the Warriors with KD.

With that said, I highly, highly doubt it happens. Wade's gonna be a Heat lifer, regardless of how he and Riley feel about each other.

 

[godfather]

Myself and Gour are big Wade fans. I think our heads would explode if we actually got him.

It'd be sweeter too stealing their franchise player away from those assholes in Miami.

I think Wade is very loyal, but I don't think Riley wants to piss him off or be disrespected anymore than he has.

Wade made it all happen in Miami, more than Riley. Riley should be thanking his lucky stars he got Wade and did so much for them.

 

[Jordan]

Why doesn't this thread show up in the Trade, Free Agency, & the Draft section? I can only access it from the main forum page.

 

[gourimoko]

LeBron could agree to a paycut so we could bring him in on the taxpayer MLE. Maybe?

Cavs have the taxpayer MLE regardless of what James does. James taking a discount could get us the full MLE.

 

[tocov]

Sorry yeah that's what I was thinking of.

 

[gourimoko]

Wade would be an absolute dream... Not only is he a solid vet who is perfect under pressure, but, he makes James' leadership abilities much more robust, well-tempered, less-moody, and simply brings with him calmness and stability.

The James-Spoelstra relationship was mediated by D. Wade.
The James-Riley relationship was mediated by D. Wade.

Now obviously, Ty Lue has found a way to take on that role of the superstar whisperer, but nonetheless, James can still be moody. Wade fixes that, bringing accountability, authority, and leadership - and has no problem at all ceding that authority to the proper chain of command (Spo).

I just think Wade being on this team makes infinite sense for the Cavs, even if there is an infinitesimal chance of it happening.

The ways to get Wade on this team:

1) Taxpayer MLE ($3.6M)... Massive paycut for Wade, but we could sign him outright.

2) Full MLE ($5.6M).. Again, massive paycut for Wade, James would need to take a huge one-year paycut as well to make this work, but I have no doubt he would. We'd also lose Mozgov, almost assuredly.

3) Trade Exception ($10M). This is the optimal solution. Cavs could potentially get the 21st pick tonight, if Stein is accurate (and I don't think he is), package that with a future pick and get Dwyane Wade back. Might need to include Shump, but Heat might not want to take on salary. This solution requires that the Cavs end up below the apron, which they can, since James can sign for whatever he wants -- but again, this necessitates James taking less money, and us likely losing Mozgov.

The max offer Cavs can send Wade is $43M/4Y with an option in the 4th year, which isn't bad for a guy who will be 35 by mid-season next year. My guess would be the Heat are likely to offer him $45M/3Y with no options. If that's the case, and Wade envisions himself retiring in 2-3 years, then the Cavs deal is really not much worse at all as he can retire in the final year of his deal and still very likely get paid.

Again... all of this is very difficult to imagine, but Wade and Riley have yet to sit down and hash out a contract. We're about one week away from that happening, and if things go as they did last year, I think Wade bolts.

Lastly, I don't think Wade and Riley like each other any longer... That's just my guess.

 

[dark2332]

Wade would be an absolute dream... Not only is he a solid vet who is perfect under pressure, but, he makes James' leadership abilities much more robust, well-tempered, less-moody, and simply brings with him calmness and stability.

The James-Spoelstra relationship was mediated by D. Wade.
The James-Riley relationship was mediated by D. Wade.

Now obviously, Ty Lue has found a way to take on that role of the superstar whisperer, but nonetheless, James can still be moody. Wade fixes that, bringing accountability, authority, and leadership - and has no problem at all ceding that authority to the proper chain of command (Spo).

I just think Wade being on this team makes infinite sense for the Cavs, even if there is an infinitesimal chance of it happening.

The ways to get Wade on this team:

1) Taxpayer MLE ($3.6M)... Massive paycut for Wade, but we could sign him outright.

2) Full MLE ($5.6M).. Again, massive paycut for Wade, James would need to take a huge one-year paycut as well to make this work, but I have no doubt he would. We'd also lose Mozgov, almost assuredly.

3) Trade Exception ($10M). This is the optimal solution. Cavs could potentially get the 21st pick tonight, if Stein is accurate (and I don't think he is), package that with a future pick and get Dwyane Wade back. Might need to include Shump, but Heat might not want to take on salary. This solution requires that the Cavs end up below the apron, which they can, since James can sign for whatever he wants -- but again, this necessitates James taking less money, and us likely losing Mozgov.

The max offer Cavs can send Wade is $43M/4Y with an option in the 4th year, which isn't bad for a guy who will be 35 by mid-season next year. My guess would be the Heat are likely to offer him $45M/3Y with no options. If that's the case, and Wade envisions himself retiring in 2-3 years, then the Cavs deal is really not much worse at all as he can retire in the final year of his deal and still very likely get paid.

Again... all of this is very difficult to imagine, but Wade and Riley have yet to sit down and hash out a contract. We're about one week away from that happening, and if things go as they did last year, I think Wade bolts.

Lastly, I don't think Wade and Riley like each other any longer... That's just my guess.

This.

Of course, you already know we agree on this.

I just wanted to add one thing... if Riley and Wade go at it in contract negotiations, and he does choose the 1% route of bolting, there is only one team he is bolting to. One. It's Cleveland.

If you don't think Wade watched James hoist that trophy again with envy, you're insane. You know he felt pain that he wasn't with him on the floor. You know they've discussed it, and they will never team up back in Miami. We know LeBron hates Riley, and I definitely agree with your vibe that Wade doesn't like him much either.

 

[gourimoko]

Just one final note....

I think if we measure the likelihood of certain things happening, certain outcomes; then the Cavs have a greater chance of signing Kevin Durant than Dwyane Wade.

I say that because if all the talk of Durant leaving OKC is true, and his preferred destination is Golden State; then it makes no sense for him or for the Thunder to go there rather than doing a sign-and-trade to the Cavs for Kevin Love.

1) Durant would look like a bitch joining the guys who bounced him after being up 3-1.
2) Durant would be "the man" sooner, rather than later, on the Cavs.
3) Durant fits our offense far more than he does the Warriors, who don't run iso sets at all.
4) Durant will never be the #1 option playing alongside Steph Curry in a Kerr system, but could be alongside Kyrie Irving.
5) Durant wouldn't be wrecking the Thunder franchise.
6) He could leave and wouldn't be villainized.
7) Love would play with Westbrook, his favorite guy in the NBA and who he thinks is the MVP of the league.
8) And we'd get our second-generation tandem solidified in a Kyrie/Durant pairing.
9) If you asked Durant who the better point guard is between Irving and Curry; I'd bet money he'd say Kyrie Irving.

That's neither here nor there; just saying, trading Love for Durant in a sign-and-trade is easier to do because of the Pat Riley factor.

I know this is the Wade thread, but just want to offer some perspective. If we're going to sign-and-trade, then it makes sense to consider all the options....

K.. back to Wade.

 

[Walter White]

Wade, whether he starts or not, but completely taking most of Shump's minutes would be like a dream come true.

It would make us so much better. Not just because Wade is a great player, but his chemistry with LeBron on the court is uncanny. They always seem to find each other on cuts and on the break, which we have nobody that really does that now for LeBron except Kevin on the outlet passes.

My only worry is that Wade would stunt the growth of Kyrie and LeBron's chemistry/relationship. Maybe that is a dumb worry, but I'm liking what Kyrie and LeBron are starting to build together and grow. Is Wade willing to be a 3rd/4th wheel? Would Kevin put up with having a more reduced role than he already has? I know this is fantasy land, but the logistics still concern me a little bit.

 

[godfather]

Wade would be an absolute dream... Not only is he a solid vet who is perfect under pressure, but, he makes James' leadership abilities much more robust, well-tempered, less-moody, and simply brings with him calmness and stability.

The James-Spoelstra relationship was mediated by D. Wade.
The James-Riley relationship was mediated by D. Wade.

Now obviously, Ty Lue has found a way to take on that role of the superstar whisperer, but nonetheless, James can still be moody. Wade fixes that, bringing accountability, authority, and leadership - and has no problem at all ceding that authority to the proper chain of command (Spo).

I just think Wade being on this team makes infinite sense for the Cavs, even if there is an infinitesimal chance of it happening.

The ways to get Wade on this team:

1) Taxpayer MLE ($3.6M)... Massive paycut for Wade, but we could sign him outright.

2) Full MLE ($5.6M).. Again, massive paycut for Wade, James would need to take a huge one-year paycut as well to make this work, but I have no doubt he would. We'd also lose Mozgov, almost assuredly.

3) Trade Exception ($10M). This is the optimal solution. Cavs could potentially get the 21st pick tonight, if Stein is accurate (and I don't think he is), package that with a future pick and get Dwyane Wade back. Might need to include Shump, but Heat might not want to take on salary. This solution requires that the Cavs end up below the apron, which they can, since James can sign for whatever he wants -- but again, this necessitates James taking less money, and us likely losing Mozgov.

The max offer Cavs can send Wade is $43M/4Y with an option in the 4th year, which isn't bad for a guy who will be 35 by mid-season next year. My guess would be the Heat are likely to offer him $45M/3Y with no options. If that's the case, and Wade envisions himself retiring in 2-3 years, then the Cavs deal is really not much worse at all as he can retire in the final year of his deal and still very likely get paid.

Again... all of this is very difficult to imagine, but Wade and Riley have yet to sit down and hash out a contract. We're about one week away from that happening, and if things go as they did last year, I think Wade bolts.

Lastly, I don't think Wade and Riley like each other any longer... That's just my guess.

This was the post I was waiting for.

Get your hands off that trophy LeBron, and pick up the phone and make it happen!!!

 

[dark2332]

Just one final note....

I think if we measure the likelihood of certain things happening, certain outcomes; then the Cavs have a greater chance of signing Kevin Durant than Dwyane Wade.

I say that because if all the talk of Durant leaving OKC is true, and his preferred destination is Golden State; then it makes no sense for him or for the Thunder to go there rather than doing a sign-and-trade to the Cavs for Kevin Love.

1) Durant would look like a bitch joining the guys who bounced him after being up 3-1.
2) Durant would be "the man" sooner, rather than later, on the Cavs.
3) Durant fits our offense far more than he does the Warriors, who don't run iso sets at all.
4) Durant will never be the #1 option playing alongside Steph Curry in a Kerr system, but could be alongside Kyrie Irving.
5) Durant wouldn't be wrecking the Thunder franchise.
6) He could leave and wouldn't be villainized.
7) Love would play with Westbrook, his favorite guy in the NBA and who he thinks is the MVP of the league.
8) And we'd get our second-generation tandem solidified in a Kyrie/Durant pairing.

That's neither here nor there; just saying, trading Love for Durant in a sign-and-trade is easier to do because of the Pat Riley factor.

I know this is the Wade thread, but just want to offer some perspective. If we're going to sign-and-trade, then it makes sense to consider all the options....

K.. back to Wade.

So, neither scenario likely happens. Both less that 5%.

But, I have to admit, you're in that magic zone right now. Drunk enough that you have an irrational view of yourself, but not so drunk that you've lost your mojo.

All of the facts are reasonable for Wade or Durant. It filters down the line of reasonable assumptions. But in the end... you say... "Holy shit, it might happen" when the compounded odds are just so low.

I'm liking this discussion, however, because I'm high on Championship Cheeba myself.

 

[gourimoko]

Wade, whether he starts or not, but completely taking most of Shump's minutes would be like a dream come true.

It would make us so much better. Not just because Wade is a great player, but his chemistry with LeBron on the court is uncanny. They always seem to find each other on cuts and on the break, which we have nobody that really does that now for LeBron except Kevin on the outlet passes.

My only worry is that Wade would stunt the growth of Kyrie and LeBron's chemistry/relationship. Maybe that is a dumb worry, but I'm liking what Kyrie and LeBron are starting to build together and grow. Is Wade willing to be a 3rd/4th wheel? Would Kevin put up with having a more reduced role than he already has? I know this is fantasy land, but the logistics still concern me a little bit.

I think Wade for us would really be the guy to help Love and Irving, rather than the other way round.

Wade could run with the second unit, letting James rest, and rest a lot.

Wade can play SF, meaning James and Wade can switch on/off on back to backs -- and I think guys like Irving and Love would appreciate that, since they could just go all out when James is off the floor.

Wade knows how to make the entry pass to Love in the low post; Wade and Bosh work beautifully together.

Wade can play the two man game with Kyrie Irving, can set the pick, and is a fantastical roll man.

He'd probably get 12 FGA/G which would really absorb James, Shump and Delly's shot attempts more so than Irving and Love.

 

[dark2332]

I think Wade for us would really be the guy to help Love and Irving, rather than the other way round.

Wade could run with the second unit, letting James rest, and rest a lot.

Wade can play SF, meaning James and Wade can switch on/off on back to backs -- and I think guys like Irving and Love would appreciate that, since they could just go all out when James is off the floor.

Wade knows how to make the entry pass to Love in the low post; Wade and Bosh work beautifully together.

Wade can play the two man game with Kyrie Irving, can set the pick, and is a fantastical roll man.

He'd probably get 12 FGA/G which would really absorb James, Shump and Delly's shot attempts more so than Irving and Love.

I am curious if Wade coming here would increase or decrease the odds that we'd shop Kevin Love.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

LOL certain people want to rebuke a Cleveland-Chicago-Boston 3-team trade that ends with Love on Boston and Butler in Cleveland, yet people are falling all over themselves trying to convince each other that Wade to Cleveland is a realistic possibility.

Riley will pay his franchise player whatever he wants vs. risk losing him to the Cavs. If taking a MASSIVE pay cut to play in Cleveland is even a realistic possibility, which I don't think is. Somebody will pay the guy if Miami won't.

It's the worst pipe dream yet.