Posey signs with Hornets. PIP suicide watch is on

[Rimage]

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CJ Miles and Chris Landry are high on my list.

 

[David]

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I would shoot for either Childress or Smith, both can potentially be our starting sg and both can score in bunches. Childress is bigger though so I like him more. Also Smith doesn't try to much on defense but then again browns done more with less.

Smith is a beast on D, Look at some of his blocks...

He's a good scorer and has great athleticism...

 

[Splitz]

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I'm pretty much done caring about Posey signing with us. I hope he goes elsewhere. We are much better off picking up some of this young talent. I don't want to be fooled into the Donyell Marshall situation. Once Posey gets paid he may never have the same impact.

 

[southbeach]

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the thing about Smith is all we can offer is the full mid level and I would be surprised if Atlanta didn't match that.

 

[No Offense]

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Can someone change the title of this thread to "Posey to Make Choice In A Year Or Two"?

 

[Damage]

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29 page thread...all over James Posey.

 

[midgetstilts]

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29 page thread...all over James Posey.

I'll do you one better....giant post about James Posey to follow (from cavsboard.com)

The Dilemna

The cupboard is bare. The only guys left are restricted free agents (Josh Smith, Josh Childress, Andre Igoudala, Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, Nenad Krstic), guys with baggage (Ricky Davis, Kwame Brown, Shaun Livingston), or equally unintriguing role players who haven’t got snatched up for a reason. For Cavs fans, their hopes and focus are solely on James Posey.

So the question becomes do you come to the negotiating table with a fourth year for James Posey? The 31 year old guard/forward is certainly a valuable piece to a veteran team, but after making similar mistakes with older veterans in the recent past, do the Cavs bite the bullet and offer a fourth year in order to steal away a guy who would immediately log big minutes as a shooting guard/small forward for the Cavaliers?


History’s Lessons

If you believe you believe in the mantra “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”, you probably oppose going to the wall to get Posey. With contenders like Boston and New Orleans offering similar mid-level deals of the three year variety, and some suggesting the Lakers are in the mix, those teams would likely have the edge as more desirable locations to play if all things are equal. Posey would see considerable floor time here, but in what will likely be his last contract, he would no longer be playing for a contract. He’d be playing out his contract. And minutes would become much less relevant them being placed in a position to compete if the money is comparable.

The last time the Cavs splurged on role players they signed Donyell Marshall (4 years, 22 million) coming off a great year as the first reserve for the Toronto Raptors and Damon Jones (4 years 16 million) coming off a record-setting year as the 3-point marksmen for the Miami Heat. Look a little further back and you’ll find that previous Cavaliers GM John Paxson made similar (if not larger) mistakes signing Ira Newble (5 years, 15 million), and even Kevin Ollie (5 years, 15 million). Ollie was later exchanged for Eric Snow (a worse deal if that’s even possible).

The Analysis

We all know the relevant facts. What does Posey do well? Defense and shooting are his specialities. You won’t find much left from the days where he would slash through the lane (circa Denver 1999-2003). But on a team with Delonte West and Daniel Gibson and Wally Szczerbiak, what’s lacking is not outside shooting. What’s lacking is a consistent presence guarding the perimeter and knocking down open looks when they’re there. Cavs fans know all too well how painful it can be to watch players like Sasha Pavlovic or even Wally Szczerbiak deliver such inconsistent performances night in and night out (that’s not even mentioning their injury concerns).

Can we all except to see Posey play out a four year deal with little to no fall off in his game? The likely answer is no. Like Marshall before him, Posey is a shooter who progressed in that area as he aged. Shooting is an area that “ages” well (just ask Z), and so perhaps his stroke see little to no fall off with the open looks playing next to a guy like Lebron would afford.

If you look to Eric Snow for reference on how defense “ages”, maybe we can hope Posey’s defense would hold up. The pessimist would point out Eric Snow’s defense was based on strength and quick hands, not lateral quickness. Posey, who turns 32 in January, would be hard pressed to play a four year deal out without seeing a fall off on that end of the floor.

The Conclusion

The most likely outcome of this wait and see approach is that Danny Ferry is hesitating for a reason, probably one of the concerns highlighted above. Perhaps its a personnel issue he anticipates encountering based on the guys he intends to move. Giving Posey a four-year deal is a calculated risk, and on a team whose payroll ranks the third-highest in the NBA despite playing in the mid-sized market of Cleveland, a little financial prudence may be the “unspoken mandate” despite what we’ve seen reported about Ferry’s ability to “do what is necessary to build a winner”. Ultimately, my prediction, and common sense would tell you that the only way Posey lands anywhere except the Celtics is with more money or more years.

As the current roster is built, next year’s lineup will likely see Sasha Pavlovic man the shooting guard spot, with Daniel Gibson seeing considerable time on the floor as a 2 when Delonte is running the point. Devin Brown is all but gone, and Wally Szczerbiak will probably be moved by the trading deadline as the most valuable trading chip (from an expiring deal standpoint) that the Cavs have.

Bringing in Posey would be a welcome addition, but I, like many others, am opposed to offering a fourth year in any form other then a team option. The roster and the Cavs ”needs” will likely look much different after the trade deadline. A glue guy who plays solid defense may be added in a deal. Adding a fourth year for Posey on a team that is going to see dramatic upheaval before the trade deadline (not to mention before Lebron’s contract renewal) is risky, unless Ferry anticipates still having considerable minutes at the 2/3 spot because of trades that he may need to make. The Cavs may have to take on some additional bad deals just to land a star talent in a trade.

In the end, I think the Cavs willingness to go the extra mile for Posey will depend on what Ferry and the management knows that we don’t. With Szczerbiak being shopped, and possibly Pavlovic as well, having a bigger perimeter player to complement Gibson and West seems that much more desirable. I won’t be overly critical of management if they pass on James Posey. The midlevel is there every year, and I’d rather the risks that management takes have bigger potential rewards. We’ve seen this team bring in role guys year after year. This may be the season the Cavs land a legitimate second fiddle to Lebron James if they play their hand correctly and if a few things fall into place before the trade deadline. Everyone’s optimistic in the fall, but come February, it’s a buyer’s market.

 

[NarlCavs]

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It's almost time for the Cavs to move on from Posey. If they have to go too many years or too much money than forget about it.
Posey is a nice player but I don't see him as the difference in whether the Cavs win or don't win a championship.
A rule needs to be to never get into bidding wars for role players.


CJ Miles is a very interesting player to make a run at. It's a fairly strong possibility that the Jazz wouldn't match an offer. They already have 2 young recent #1 picks at SG in Brewer and Almond along with Korver and Harpring who can play minutes there. Can't see them wanting to invest much more money at that position. Miles showed more improvement last season and is still only 21. As long as the Cavs didn't have to offer a contract too overpriced he'd be worth a shot.

 

[rjgraca]

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I am starting to get a little tired of Posey and his agent's posturing. I like what the guy contributes, but it would sure be nice if he would say better about Cleveland than it really doesn't matter or make a difference that he is from the Cleveland area in his decision.

James Posey: Just say 'No!'

The Cavaliers appear to be one of the teams in hot pursuit of free agent forward James Posey, even though most reports seem to indicate it's unlikely the Cavs will sign him. At the team's disposal, of course, is the mid-level exception. That's of little advantage, however, as the other teams interested in Posey have that as well. According to this article in the Boston Globe, "the Celtics seem willing to give Posey the full $5.5 million mid-level exception, but it seems doubtful that it will be offered more than two years. The 31-year-old seems interested in getting a four-year deal."

I like Posey. He's a nice role player. He's a good defender. He can shoot a little.

But if the only way that Danny Ferry and Co. can land the 6'8" forward is with a four-year deal, then it's time to start looking elsewhere.

There are so many reasons why a four-year deal for Posey is wrong. First, he's 31 years old. Do you really think he'll be an effective player at age 35? I doubt it.

http://blog.cleveland.com/cavaliers_corner/2008/07/just_say_no_to_posey.html

 

[Damage]

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Wait, I thought I was crazy for saying giving him the full MLE was a bad idea.

 

[CavsRules]

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Gone on long enough.. I took a "few days" off from being online, comeback and the guy still says hes "close" to making his choice to what team he'll sign with. Go back to Boston so we can hate you, especially for wasting our time with this bull shit. Hes not even going to sign with us anyway.

 

[cdt]

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Posey thought he'd have NBA followers on the edge of their seats with his extended offseason deliberation but Elton Brand and about 10 other Free Agents kinda stole his thundah.

 

[camakazee]

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the thing about Smith is all we can offer is the full mid level and I would be surprised if Atlanta didn't match that.

.. the talk here is about JR Smith... not Josh, hence the original worry of how he doesn't play that great of d (which was then quoted to say he was a beast on d, perhaps you're not the only mistaken one). Obviously, we have zero chance of obtaining Josh.

 

[The Voice]

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James Posey | Celtics
James Posey, the Celtics' highest-priority unsigned veteran, is seeking a four-year contract, an NBA source said yesterday.
Posey, 31, is treating negotiations as if this could be his final contract and has been in talks with Detroit, the Lakers, New Orleans, Cleveland, and Washington. No team has been willing to offer a deal beyond three years. -- The Boston Globe

4 years? Why even sign him? He will end up getting championship syndrome and not even be able to shoot from start to finish.

Free agent forward James Posey has finally broken his silence and claims that the Celtics are his top choice, according to The Boston Globe.

"That's my No. 1 choice," said Posey said of staying with the Celtics. "I've stressed that to the organization and to everybody. At the same time, I'm still waiting. So we'll see what's going to happen."

Posey is rumored to be coveted by the Cavaliers, Pistons, Hornets, Wizards, and Lakers, as well.

Via The Boston Globe

JR Smith > Posey
Have we even made an offer to JR Smith?

 

[Jon]

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JR is restricted and his salary can be matched. Anyone who offers JR is likely just tying up their money for a week - unless Denver makes it known they don't want him back and isn't interested in a S&T.

Unlikely ...