Rebuilding Trade Ideas

[layneroxxx]

Ok...I want to clone Dikembe Mutombo x14

Mutombo/Mutombo/Mutombo
Mutombo/Mutombo/Mutombo
Mutombo/Mutombo
Mutombo/Mutombo/Mutombo
Mutombo/Mutombo/Mutombo

....I'm imagining him throwing elbows against the Heat. I think it will work.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Here you go. Fast rebuild.

Trade #1:

Cleveland Trades: G Ramon Sessions

Cleveland Receives: 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#17 Overall), G Bill Walker, F Renaldo Balkman, G Andy Rautins

New York Trades: 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#17 Overall), G Bill Walker, F Renaldo Balkman, G Andy Rautins

New York Receives: G Ramon Sessions

Why Cleveland makes the deal: The Cavs get another first round pick for a guy who would they would have a hard time finding minutes for.

Why New York makes the deal: They get a PG that they really like and is better than anyone they would pick at 17 and any of the salary filler they included.


Trade #2:

Cleveland Trades: F Antawn Jamison, F J.J. Hickson, 2011 2nd Rd. Pick (#32 overall)

Cleveland Receives: C Andris Biedrins, F Martell Webster, 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#2 Overall)


Minnesota Trades: F Wesley Johnson, F Martell Webster, 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#2 Overall)

Minnesota Receives: G Monta Ellis, 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#11 Overall)


Golden State Trades: C Andris Biedrins, G Monta Ellis, 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#11 Overall)

Golden State Receives: F Antawn Jamison, F J.J. Hickson, F Wesley Johnson, 2011 2nd Rd. Pick (#32 overall)


Why Cleveland makes the deal: The deal will cost around $15 million over the next couple of seasons and also the 32nd pick, but it lands them the opportunity to take the 2 best players in this draft.

Why Minnesota makes the deal: They have made it known they want a veteran for their #2 pick, and this nets them a young veteran elite scorer and also brings back a lottery pick.

Why Golden State makes the deal: This trade saves them approximately $39 million and brings back a solid veteran (expiring) and two promising young players while moving down 21 spots in a draft deep with decent players even if it lacks star power.


Trade #3:

Cleveland Trades: $12.3 million Trade Exception, 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#17 Overall), 2011 2nd Rd. Pick (#54 Overall)

Cleveland Receives: F Andre Iguodala

Philadelphia Trades: F Andre Iguodala

Philadelphia Receives: 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#17 Overall), 2011 2nd Rd. Pick (#54 Overall)

Why Cleveland makes the deal: Acquire an athletic wing to fill a hole now and possibly be a trading chip later.

Why Philadelphia makes the deal: Get out from Iguodala's contract while receiving a couple of assets and not having to take on salary to match.


Trade #4:

Cleveland Trades: F Martell Webster, 2012 2nd Rd. Pick (from N.O.)

Cleveland Receives: G Matt Carroll, 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#19 Overall)

Charlotte Trades: G Matt Carroll, 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#19 Overall)

Charlotte Receives: F Martell Webster, 2012 2nd Rd. Pick (from N.O.)

Why Cleveland makes the deal: Pick up a pick to take a young scoring wing player in the middle of the first round while sending out a decent player, but not in the long term plans.

Why Charlotte makes the deal: Get a young player that can shoot it well from 3 while getting rid of Matt Carroll's contract.


Draft:
2011 #1 - G Kyrie Irving
2011 #2 - F Derrick Williams
2011 #4 - C Jonas Valanciunas
2011 #19 - G Marshon Brooks


Buyout/Release:
G Andy Rautins
F Renaldo Balkman
F Joey Graham
F Luke Harangody
G Matt Carroll


Roster

PG: K. Irving/B. Davis/D. Gibson
SG: M. Brooks/B. Walker/D. Gibson/M. Harris
SF: A. Iguodala/C. Eyenga/A. Gee
PF: D. Williams/A. Varejao/J. Valanciunas/S. Samuels
C: A. Varejao/J. Valanciunas/A. Biedrins/S. Erden


You play the young kids in 2011 and let them get comfortable with each other and probably end up with 35 wins or so. In 2012, with a pick around 12-14, you still have Baron's expiring contract, future Miami picks, and maybe even Gibson and Varejao as possible assets to try to move up and get a wing scorer. After that, just let all of the young kids grow together and learn how to win from guys like Varejao, Iguodala, and Gibson.

 

[TopGun]

Here you go. Fast rebuild.
Trade #3:

Cleveland Trades: $12.3 million Trade Exception, 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#17 Overall), 2011 2nd Rd. Pick (#54 Overall)

Cleveland Receives: F Andre Iguodala

Philadelphia Trades: F Andre Iguodala

Philadelphia Receives: 2011 1st Rd. Pick (#17 Overall), 2011 2nd Rd. Pick (#54 Overall)

Why Cleveland makes the deal: Acquire an athletic wing to fill a hole now and possibly be a trading chip later.

Why Philadelphia makes the deal: Get out from Iguodala's contract while receiving a couple of assets and not having to take on salary to match.

Yes to everything except this. You're already taking up some serious cap space in the other trades that make us younger. With a new CBA looming, I let the TPE expire or use it to acquire 2012 picks, save the draft picks, lose the 5-10 extra wins you would have gotten with Iggy, and draft higher in 2012.

 

[Triumph36]

^ like he said, I think you should've stopped at trade #2. I don't like Iggy for the reasons he mentioned (and a lot more, like our wings not being able to hit a 3pt shot).

Trade #4 doesn't make sense for Charlotte. Webster is owed $5.25M next year with a team option for the following year while Carroll is owed $7.2M over the next 2 years. Saving $2M isn't much, especially considering how low their salary already will be. The talent difference is pretty much meaningless because Charlotte is going to be awful either way.

I also don't think NY would do Trade #1. Include #32 in that trade and send a future MIA 1st to GSW instead IMO. Works out for all involved. I'd also pick Chris Singleton instead of Brooks at #17.

 

[ericerau]

Not sure if this was proposed, I was just messing around. Cavs, Lakers, Magic really seem to have a lot of options for trades as well as motivation. Cavs are rebuilding. Lakers want to win in at all again. Magic don't want to lose Howard for nothing, don't want a "Carmello Year". The rosters really offer a lot of options, especially if you start to throw in draft picks.

Cavs In: Pau Gasol, Brandon Bass
Cavs Out: Varejao, Davis, Sessions
Good: Lose some long expensive contracts. Gain an All Star PF.
Bad: Take on a big contract (could be tradable though). Didn't lose Jamison

Magic In: Sessions, Bynum, Odom
Magic Out: Dwight Howard.
Good: They're gonna lose Howard anyways, at least now they have a some decent pieces for him.
Bad: Your losing Howard.

Lakers In: Davis, Varejao, Howard
Lakers Out: Odom, Bynum, Gasol
Good: Probably have the best team in the NBA.
Bad: Lotsa money tied up

 

[adriano_leite]

My idea is to draft Kanter at #4 and than trade him + salary filler (Boobie, Gee, Erden, Hollins etc.) to Minny for Beasley and their 2012 pick. I am not sure what you are guys thinking about that, but i think is good deal for both sides, because Minny is going to draft Williams, so i am not sure if Williams and Beasley can play together on the court, are same types of players.

Sorry for my bad english.

GO CAVS GO

 

[CBBI]

My idea is to draft Kanter at #4 and than trade him + salary filler (Boobie, Gee, Erden, Hollins etc.) to Minny for Beasley and their 2012 pick. I am not sure what you are guys thinking about that, but i think is good deal for both sides, because Minny is going to draft Williams, so i am not sure if Williams and Beasley can play together on the court, are same types of players.

Sorry for my bad english.

GO CAVS GO

Minnesota doesn't have their 2012 pick. It belongs to the Clippers, fully unprotected, from the Sam Cassell/Marco Jaric trade a million years ago.

 

[Snowblind]

Draft Irving #1 and Jonas #4 (I think Utah will take Kanter and get Jimmer at 12), use part of the TPE and #32 for Nocioni and the #16 pick. Draft Singleton at 16 and Michael Dunigan at #52. Trade Ramon to L.A for their TPE and a future first. Cut Graham and Harangody. Leave Dunigan overseas for a year or cut Hollins. Hopefully at the trade deadline, Jamison or Baron are playing well enough that some contender will try to trade for them. Or a team could look to shed salary (using Jamison's expiring contract).

Baron/Irving/Boobie
Irving/Eyenga/Harris
Nocioni/Singleton/Gee
JJ/Jamison/Samuels
Andy/Jonas/Erden/Hollins

That team doesn't win more than 30 games, I think. Next year, hopefully, we have a top 10 pick and we would still have Davis and Nocioni's contracts expiring at the same time.

Potential 2012 lineup:

Irving/Baron (if he's traded, then use LA's pick on a pg or sign one)/Boobie
Gilchrist or Beal/Eyenga/Harris
Singelton/Nocioni/Gee
JJ/Andy/Samuels
Jonas/Erden/Dunigan

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

After hearing the rumored interest between Minnesota and Phoenix, I figured that Cleveland could jump in and sweeten it a little bit. Something along the lines of:

Cleveland trades: J.J. Hickson, #32, and Traded Player Exception ($6.5M)
Cleveland obtains: Josh Childress and #2

Minnesota trades: Nikola Pekovic* and #2
Minnesota obtains: Marcin Gortat and #13

Phoenix trades: Marcin Gortat, Josh Childress, and #13
Phoenix obtains: J.J. Hickson, Nikola Pekovic*, #32, and Traded Player Exception ($6.5M - CLE)

*Could put Milicic in here as well. Depends on who Phoenix would want more.

This trade works as two separate transactions where Childress for the TPE would occur.

I think this makes sense for all three teams involved. Minnesota picks up a defensive center who had a nice end of the regular season that's on a reasonable contract. They also are essentially only giving up the #2 pick. They're keeping the rest of their young players intact. They would then have the #13 and #20 selections meaning that they could still draft Biyombo and Brooks if they wanted to go that route. Phoenix is getting a little bit of everything. They are dumping Childress and removing a little bit of the logjam at the wing they have. I know that Sarver is a bit of a penny pincher so any sort of salary relief for a player who had an underwhelming season seems like it would make sense. Hickson and #32 for Gortat and #13 also seems fair, especially since Cleveland is taking on Childress' salary with no sweetener from Phoenix directly. Phoenix has also shown interest in Hickson in the past. From Cleveland's perspective, they use some of their resources to pull together a deal for the #2. Hickson and #32 seems reasonable for the #2 in this draft. Taking on the remaining four years and $27M owed to Josh Childress is also part of the deal. I like Childress. We could use a veteran wing that plays smart, defensive basketball, and excels by moving without the ball. More importantly, it would give Cleveland the #1, #2, and #4 selections. I'm not sure if this would get it done, but something to think about.

 

[czvo]

After hearing the rumored interest between Minnesota and Phoenix, I figured that Cleveland could jump in and sweeten it a little bit. Something along the lines of:

Cleveland trades: J.J. Hickson, #32, and Traded Player Exception ($6.5M)
Cleveland obtains: Josh Childress and #2

Minnesota trades: Nikola Pekovic* and #2
Minnesota obtains: Marcin Gortat and #13

Phoenix trades: Marcin Gortat, Josh Childress, and #13
Phoenix obtains: J.J. Hickson, Nikola Pekovic*, #32, and Traded Player Exception ($6.5M - CLE)

*Could put Milicic in here as well. Depends on who Phoenix would want more.

This trade works as two separate transactions where Childress for the TPE would occur.

I think this makes sense for all three teams involved. Minnesota picks up a defensive center who had a nice end of the regular season that's on a reasonable contract. They also are essentially only giving up the #2 pick. They're keeping the rest of their young players intact. They would then have the #13 and #20 selections meaning that they could still draft Biyombo and Brooks if they wanted to go that route. Phoenix is getting a little bit of everything. They are dumping Childress and removing a little bit of the logjam at the wing they have. I know that Sarver is a bit of a penny pincher so any sort of salary relief for a player who had an underwhelming season seems like it would make sense. Hickson and #32 for Gortat and #13 also seems fair, especially since Cleveland is taking on Childress' salary with no sweetener from Phoenix directly. Phoenix has also shown interest in Hickson in the past. From Cleveland's perspective, they use some of their resources to pull together a deal for the #2. Hickson and #32 seems reasonable for the #2 in this draft. Taking on the remaining four years and $27M owed to Josh Childress is also part of the deal. I like Childress. We could use a veteran wing that plays smart, defensive basketball, and excels by moving without the ball. More importantly, it would give Cleveland the #1, #2, and #4 selections. I'm not sure if this would get it done, but something to think about.

Not sure PHX would go for this since the whole reason they'd move Gortat is to get Williams at #2.

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

I guess it depends on how badly they'd want to dump Childress. This is just a sort of frame-work idea. It's impossible to predict trades with all the fine details worked out.

 

[Triumph36]

That's pretty bad for PHX. They need talent, not savings. Their team salary is already really low.