Rebuilding Trade Ideas

[Triumph36]

Anybody think we should try to make the Richard Hamilton deal and take Detroit's pick this year? Hear me out. It would totally be conditional upon a trade-up with the Timberwolves.

In the first trade, you give the Traded Player Exception to Detroit in exchange for Hamilton and the Pistons' pick this year (8th overall). You then package Varejao with the 8th pick and take back filler to make it work (Milicic, Webster) plus their pick (2nd overall).

This would give the Cavs three of the top four picks. I'm just thinking out loud.

Yes, absolutely. Unless Detroit is willing to give their 2012 unprotected pick, then Minny can gtfo.

And if Minny isn't willing to do the trade, the Cavs should try to get Detroit's pick next year anyway.

http://www.turnto23.com/sports/27936460/detail.html



I am all for moving Session, I just don't see anything the the Knicks have, that they would be willing to part with, that we would want. They can not move any first round draft picks until 2018.

Sessions is terrible so I don't think the Cavs aren't going to get many offers that they would legitimately "want." It'd basically be the lesser of two evils.....or if they're lucky, the team will absorb Sessions outright.

 

[Triumph36]

Triumph's Super-Unlikely-But-Dream-Scenario-Rebuild

Cavs Trade: Anderson Varejao, Manny Harris, Joey Graham, $3M, #32, #52
Cavs Receive: #2, Darko Milicic, Martell Webster

TWolves Trade: #2, Darko Milicic, Martell Webster
TWolves Receive: Anderson Varejao, Manny Harris, Joey Graham, $3M, #32, #52

Why for CLE? AV isn't young enough to be a part of the long-term future of this team. Harris has been a bit inconsistent, but there won't be enough room for him post-trade. Most importantly, they get #2, allowing them to choose anyone they like.

Why for MIN? LOL KAHN. He's said that he wants to use the pick for an established vet, and AV fits the bill while still fitting fairly well next to Love. Despite their hard-on for Milicic, there won't be enough time for him in the bigs rotation so they dump him and Webster. They do pick up a few later picks that can be used to fill in bench roles, and the $3M is used to buyout Graham and pay for Manny's salary.

Cavs Trade: #4, $1.75M
Cavs Receive: #9, #19, #39

Bobcats Trade: #9, #19, #39
Bobcats Receive: #4, $1.75M

Why for CLE? They aren't in love with Williams' attitude, so they move down a couple spots to grab a few players. They also buy #39.

Why for CHA? This draft is a little weaker, so they consolidate their 2 1sts to move up. They sell #39 in a weak draft to pick up some extra cash.

Cavs Trade: Daniel Gibson, #39
Cavs Receive: #22

Nuggets Trade: #22
Nuggets Receive: Daniel Gibson, #39

Why for CLE? They are adding Irving, Burks, and Hamilton to an already-crowded back-court. Seeing Boobie go would be sad, but he's been inconsistent, injured, and wouldn't be able to find playing time going forward.

Why for DEN? JR Smith seems to be on the outs there, so they are effectively able to replace him with a less-crazy, better-shooting guard and still pick up an early 2nd.

Cavs Receive: Rip Hamilton, 2012 1st (Top 5 protected for 2012, T5 in 2013, T3 in 2014, un in 2014.)
Cavs Send: Ryan Hollins, 2013 MIA 1st

Pistons Send: Rip Hamilton, 2012 1st
Pistons Receive: Ryan Hollins, 2013 MIA 1st

Why for CLE? Pick up a pick in a hopefully stacked 2012 draft. The Pistons aren't very good but not totally awful, so this pick shouldn't be protected in 2012 and hopefully land somewhere in the 6-10 range.

Why for DET? Hamilton caused some serious issues this year and this helps to cut one of their 3 long-term bad contracts. It comes at a price, which is a 2012 1st, but after re-signing Stuckey and Prince (which they said they want to do), and the continued emergence of Monroe, they hope to make a push for the playoffs (lol they wish) in a weak East. With Wallace likely retiring, they get a decent-ish backup for Monroe. Finally, they also get Miami's late 1st in what should be a good draft.

#1 Kyrie Irving
#2 Enes Kanter
#9 Alec Burks
#19 Chris Singleton
#22 Lucas Nogueira [sent to Europe]

Why for CLE?

They overhaul their roster, absorb some salary, but utilize the draft to round out their positional needs basically across the board. Meanwhile, rookies should get a decent amount of playing time, even more as the season goes on. In-season Jamison should look to be traded, and perhaps Baron bought out (and signing with LAL) which would free up said time for the rookies.

2011-2012 Cleveland Cavs

Baron Davis/Kyrie Irving/Ramon Sessions
Rip Hamilton/Alec Burks
Chris Singleton/Christian Eyenga/Martell Webster
Antawn Jamison/JJ Hickson/Luke Harangody
Enes Kanter/Darko Milicic/Semih Erden

/dream (tho the only rly unrealistic one is the MIN trade)

 

[Zone]

A for effort

Revise DEN trade, they need to be receiving #39

Probably top-10 protection on the Detroit pick in 2012 would be more likely

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Wow those got worse as you went along
1-I guess though its not like Varejao is old or counts on his athleticism
2-Draft is weak dont know why youd want more picks
3-No team would ever take Gibson
4-Cavs would for some reason swap 2012 1st rounders with Mia? Are you assuming Miami will tank?

 

[Triumph36]

Wow those got worse as you went along
1-I guess though its not like Varejao is old or counts on his athleticism
2-Draft is weak dont know why youd want more picks
3-No team would ever take Gibson
4-Cavs would for some reason swap 2012 1st rounders with Mia? Are you assuming Miami will tank?

1- And the GM in question is David Kahn, not known for his wise moves. As I said tho, that is the most unlikely of the trades listed
2- Draft is weak but not that weak. Burks and Singleton are still going to be quite good NBA players & there aren't a ton of options at #4 with a PG/C already selected
3- Not true. He's been decent and would replace what they lose with JR while only costing them ~18 draft spots in a "weak draft"
4- Whoops, thought the Cavs had the right to swap 2013 picks, not 2012. DET trade should be changed from 2012 MIA to 2013 MIA.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Agree with Singleton. Would love to add him

 

[Triumph36]

Yeah, me too. Unfortunately, he'll probably go in the 18-22ish range, where it's not really possible to just buy a pick. That's why I wanted to trade down with #4, especially if the Cavs could get Kanter at #2.

 

[Noonan]

I would love to get the Celtics first rounder next year from the Clippers. It is top 10 protected, so it is a bit of a gamble. If we don't get it next year then we get it in 2013. But the Clips look like they should fall somewhere in the late lottery/eight seed range.

We could deal Varejao for Jermaine O'Neal and both of the Celtics first round picks next year. Varejao should help them in a last ditch effort to win a ring. O'Neal would come off the books after this year and could even be bought out. And we would have two more first round picks in the 2012 draft.

 

[Biw]

I would love to get the Celtics first rounder next year from the Clippers. It is top 10 protected, so it is a bit of a gamble. If we don't get it next year then we get it in 2013. But the Clips look like they should fall somewhere in the late lottery/eight seed range.

We could deal Varejao for Jermaine O'Neal and both of the Celtics first round picks next year. Varejao should help them in a last ditch effort to win a ring. O'Neal would come off the books after this year and could even be bought out. And we would have two more first round picks in the 2012 draft.

Danny Ainge would be publicly hung in the middle if Boston if he did that. An already ancient Celtics team trading away both their picks in a deep draft would be crazy.

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

EDIT: Nevermind.

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

Alright, I'm going to propose two trades. Both of which do two things: clear up the soon-to-be crowded backcourt and net us draft picks. The extra picks used in the first two trades can then be packaged to deal with Minnesota. I'm also going to make some reasonable assumptions for using certain players.

Trade #1 with Phoenix and Chicago
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=64xbnoa

Cleveland trades: J.J. Hickson, Daniel Gibson, and #32
Cleveland obtains: Josh Childress, #13 (PHX), #28 (MIA), and #30 (CHI)

Phoenix trades: Josh Childress and #13
Phoenix obtains: J.J. Hickson and Kyle Korver

Chicago trades: Kyle Korver, #28, and #30
Chicago obtains: Daniel Gibson and #32 (CLE)

I make the assumption that Phoenix would have interest in Hickson based on discussions around Amar'e in the past when he was in Phoenix. I also assume that they regret signing Josh Childress and he has no real role on their team. The Cavs though could use him and I believe had interest in him previously. I also know that Daniel Gibson was targeted along with Anthony Parker by Chicago. After Korver's disappointing playoff performance, would they look to deal him? Korver could fit in well with Phoenix's run and gun style.

Trade #2 with New York and New Jersey
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3r95sas

Cleveland trades: Ramon Sessions and #30 (CHI)
Cleveland obtains: Renaldo Balkman, Bill Walker, and #17 (NY)

New York trades: Renaldo Balkman, Bill Walker, Toney Douglas, and #17
New York obtains: Ramon Sessions, Traded Player Exception ($1.1M), #30, and 2012 second (MIA)

New Jersey trades: Traded Player Exception ($1.1M) and 2012 second (MIA)
New Jersey obtains: Toney Douglas

I make the assumption that there is still interest from NY in Ramon Sessions. The problem is that the Knicks really don't have a lot they can trade for him. Balkman, Douglass, and Walker are enough. However, the Cavs really don't need all three players. Balkman is really just a backup big man. Walker had some nice shooting towards the end of the season and could be a nice young piece at the two guard moving forward. The Nets could use a backup guard with Vujacic expiring, for a late second round pick next year, and at a nice price ($1.15M next season).

Net trade: J.J. Hickson, Daniel Gibson, Ramon Sessions, and #32 for Josh Childress, Renaldo Balkman, Bill Walker, #13, #17, and #28.

After the two trades, Cleveland owns the following picks: #1, #4, #13, #17, #28, and #54. They could then use some combination of these draft picks to work a deal with Minnesota. Something maybe like:

Trade #3 with Minnesota

Cleveland trades: #4, #13, and #28
Cleveland obtains: #2 and #20

This would give Cleveland the following picks: #1, #2, #17, #20, and #54.

Assume Cleveland takes Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams at #1 and #2. This leaves #17, #20, and #54. The Cavs could try to package the two first round picks to either move up, get a future pick next year, or take back a prospect (along with their TPE). They could then take an international flier on #54 and let them develop overseas. A potential lineup could look like:

PG: Baron Davis/Kyrie Irving
SG: Josh Childress/Christian Eyenga/Bill Walker
SF: Derrick Williams/Draft Choice/Alonzo Gee
PF: Antawn Jamison/Samardo Samuels/Renaldo Balkman
C: Anderson Varejao/Semih Erden/Ryan Hollins

I think that all three trades are fair for all teams involved. Thoughts?

EDIT: This trade also works for NY/NJ. You'd have to change some things around regarding picks and things, but this does work too.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3k8vr5g

 

["Boobie" Gibson]

Not really a fantasy of a trade, like you guys have been making, but I see that Portland is interested in moving up in to the #7 range to grab Kemba Walker. They have the #21 pick. So something along the lines of #4 and filler for #21, Oden, and someone?

 

[MattyFos.]

Alright, I'm going to propose two trades. Both of which do two things: clear up the soon-to-be crowded backcourt and net us draft picks. The extra picks used in the first two trades can then be packaged to deal with Minnesota. I'm also going to make some reasonable assumptions for using certain players.

Trade #1 with Phoenix and Chicago
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=64xbnoa

Cleveland trades: J.J. Hickson, Daniel Gibson, and #32
Cleveland obtains: Josh Childress, #13 (PHX), #28 (MIA), and #30 (CHI)

Phoenix trades: Josh Childress and #13
Phoenix obtains: J.J. Hickson and Kyle Korver

Chicago trades: Kyle Korver, #28, and #30
Chicago obtains: Daniel Gibson and #32 (CLE)

I make the assumption that Phoenix would have interest in Hickson based on discussions around Amar'e in the past when he was in Phoenix. I also assume that they regret signing Josh Childress and he has no real role on their team. The Cavs though could use him and I believe had interest in him previously. I also know that Daniel Gibson was targeted along with Anthony Parker by Chicago. After Korver's disappointing playoff performance, would they look to deal him? Korver could fit in well with Phoenix's run and gun style.

Trade #2 with New York and New Jersey
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3r95sas

Cleveland trades: Ramon Sessions and #30 (CHI)
Cleveland obtains: Renaldo Balkman, Bill Walker, and #17 (NY)

New York trades: Renaldo Balkman, Bill Walker, Toney Douglas, and #17
New York obtains: Ramon Sessions, Traded Player Exception ($1.1M), #30, and 2012 second (MIA)

New Jersey trades: Traded Player Exception ($1.1M) and 2012 second (MIA)
New Jersey obtains: Toney Douglas

I make the assumption that there is still interest from NY in Ramon Sessions. The problem is that the Knicks really don't have a lot they can trade for him. Balkman, Douglass, and Walker are enough. However, the Cavs really don't need all three players. Balkman is really just a backup big man. Walker had some nice shooting towards the end of the season and could be a nice young piece at the two guard moving forward. The Nets could use a backup guard with Vujacic expiring, for a late second round pick next year, and at a nice price ($1.15M next season).

Net trade: J.J. Hickson, Daniel Gibson, Ramon Sessions, and #32 for Josh Childress, Renaldo Balkman, Bill Walker, #13, #17, and #28.

After the two trades, Cleveland owns the following picks: #1, #4, #13, #17, #28, and #54. They could then use some combination of these draft picks to work a deal with Minnesota. Something maybe like:

Trade #3 with Minnesota

Cleveland trades: #4, #13, and #28
Cleveland obtains: #2 and #20

This would give Cleveland the following picks: #1, #2, #17, #20, and #54.

Assume Cleveland takes Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams at #1 and #2. This leaves #17, #20, and #54. The Cavs could try to package the two first round picks to either move up, get a future pick next year, or take back a prospect (along with their TPE). They could then take an international flier on #54 and let them develop overseas. A potential lineup could look like:

PG: Baron Davis/Kyrie Irving
SG: Josh Childress/Christian Eyenga/Bill Walker
SF: Derrick Williams/Draft Choice/Alonzo Gee
PF: Antawn Jamison/Samardo Samuels/Renaldo Balkman
C: Anderson Varejao/Semih Erden/Ryan Hollins

I think that all three trades are fair for all teams involved. Thoughts?

EDIT: This trade also works for NY/NJ. You'd have to change some things around regarding picks and things, but this does work too.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3k8vr5g

Wow, that must of taken you forever. Good work. I like it. I would prefer to bundle 17 and 20 for an unprotected (or top 5 protected) pick in 2012.

 

[MattyFos.]

Not really a fantasy of a trade, like you guys have been making, but I see that Portland is interested in moving up in to the #7 range to grab Kemba Walker. They have the #21 pick. So something along the lines of #4 and filler for #21, Oden, and someone?

Batum.

If so we get Irving, Batum and Oden with picks 1&4.

 

["Boobie" Gibson]

Batum.

If so we get Irving, Batum and Oden with picks 1&4.

Interesting. That seems like a lot to give up for Kemba Walker. They would have to be extremely confident in everything else they already have in place. Maybe... #4, Hollins, and Gee for #21, Oden, and Batum? Something like that...

Baron Davis/Kyrie Irving/Ramon Sessions
Christian Eyenga/Manny Harris/Daniel Gibson
Nicolas Batum/Chris Singleton?
J.J. Hickson/Antawn Jamison/Samardo Samuels
Greg Oden/Anderson Varejao/Semih Erden

That wouldn't count using either the TPE or Antawn Jamison. Honestly, if we used both of those in a trade to get an all-star 2-guard, or even just another tough offensive low-post player, this team could be SCARY good.