Richard Jefferson

[gourimoko]

Hmm, really? Rj can guard Bynum/Gasol/Howard/KG? Those are the guys we need to match up with better. Last time I checked, RJ was a wing player.

Exactly right, RJ isn't the best player the Cavaliers could get as he doesn't improve our situation in the front-court whatsoever. However, he does help us offensively (and defensively, especially considering his size advantage over Delonte), and gives us greater depth by moving West to the bench. Richardson is a consistent +15 (17.6 avg, iirc) ppg player who doesn't often deviate from his average (not too much). That level of production would be tremendous in the post-season.

EDIT: I agree that if we could get an offensive-oriented big, it would be a no-brainer. But I just don't think that's an option. In the Amare thread, we were discussing how Portland pretty much made an unbeatable offer). Richard Jefferson's not Vince Carter or Amare Stoudemire, but he is someone we can get without ruining team chemistry, who brings a known commodity, veteran experience with a superstar talent (Carter), and comes at a once-in-a-lifetime price. I just can't see Ferry turning down Richard Jefferson if we can't land somone who is significantly better offensively (i.e. Carter/Amare).

 

[staycoolbruh]

I think getting RJ would be a good option. If we trade Wally, we might be short on wing players for a bit, so, getting back RJ and maybe another decent big that can defend wouldn't be a bad option.

 

[Ziggie123]

Mr2400 wrote:
Camby, Miller, Amare, and Chandler are not low post players. Not in any sense.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps not in the traditional sense but under your definition only Shaq would be considerd a low post player. All i was saying was that these guys would/should all help with inside rebounding and provide a bigger presense in the paint.

 

[randymoss1881]

e.snow/l.wright
for
a.jamison

then

wall/1st
for

r.jefferon



mo/gibson
jefferson/west
lebron/jamison/pav
ben/jamison/jj
z/av

 

[pl4tinum]

e.snow/l.wright
for
a.jamison

then

wall/1st
for

r.jefferon



mo/gibson
jefferson/west
lebron/jamison/pav
ben/jamison/jj
z/av

Genius! :thumbdown

 

[rabman_gold]

Are you giving him the thumbs down because the trade's stupid?

Or it is because you don't find it feasible?

Because if it's the latter, you might have a point... If you just don't like the idea, perhaps I can give some perspective to getting Antawn and Rich Jefferson...

• 9-10 players deep? Check.
• 2 above average scorers? Check.
• 2 players with excellent shooting percentages? Check.
• 1 player with above-average defense? Check.
• 1 player that can control the game with scoring, or what I call another scoring threat for 30+? Check.
• 2 players with size? Check.
• 2 players who are capable of getting rebounds? Check.

Still not enough evidence? How about a rotation sample with these guys off the bench?

Starting the game:
Mo
West
James
Ben
Z

Obviously, the main tandem that brought us blow out games.

Halfway through the quarter:
Boobie for Mo
Jefferson for West
James
Antawn for Ben
Andy for Z

You replace Z's ability to hit shots with Antawn's... spreading the floor. Jefferson gives us size, but the ability to call out plays and handle the ball with Boobie and James. And he hits threes too. We still have a strong unit to crush the opponent with, in a slightly different way. But is that all?

The second quarter is a toughie, because LeBron sits and we start to struggle a bit, even with Mo picking it up for us. But what about the new firepower we get with these guys?

Second Quarter:
Mo
Delonte/Boobie
Jefferson
Jamison
Z

We have used Mo and Z in the way bolded above: bring in the guns so we have the threats to keep the lead AND rest LeBron for 6 minutes. What happens now that we have two offensive threats in Jamison and Jefferson? More problems for the opponents. Maintaining a lead or keeping the advantage will have its benefits against strong opponents in the playoffs. Additionally, there is the ability to go offense for defense thanks to Jefferson. If Jamison can't defend, throw Andy back in. We have more ways to hurt the opponent.

Same thing in the third quarter.

Now this is if Jamison plays off the bench, something he proved he could do when winning in Dallas back in 2004. I'm sure Jefferson also couldn't care as much if he's winning a championship.

But to reverse that:

1st Quarter:
Mo
Jefferson
James
Antawn
Z

Halfway through quarter 1:
West for Mo
Boobie for Jefferson
James
Ben for Antawn
Andy for Z

Second Quarter:
Mo
Delonte
Jefferson
Antawn
Z

This rotation can be mixed and matched based on the team's needs and wants. The fact that Jamison and Jefferson are quality personalities, they can be worked with.

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Now, on the other hand, can this be feasible? I don't know, but I'm just giving perspective to how these trades would impact us. Is it really that bad of a couple of deals? Hmm... I can't so no... (although I'm not sure if Wright/Snow would do it for Jamison...)

 

[Hydroponic3385]

I'm guessing the thumbs down was for the feasibility (although I don't want to speak for anyone). 1) I can see maybe one of the opposing general managers accepting a trade like that, but I doubt we'd get 2 to make that kind of trade 2) That's a lot of long-term salary to take on 3) That's a lot of changes to make to a team that vouches for it's chemistry (although it IS nice that the only rotation player gone would be Wally. But I don't know if we'd want to add 2 huge players like that, even if it's a huge upgrade in talent. Just seems like a lot. One sounds perfect, along with a smaller piece like Joe Smith or another buyout).

 

[gourimoko]

Wally + 1st gets Jefferson from the Bucks, IMO. It's the Snow+Lo for Jamison that I think is questionable (at best). But if we could do it, it'd be a fantastic trade (hell, just read Rabman's post above..)

 

[rabman_gold]

I'm guessing the thumbs down was for the feasibility (although I don't want to speak for anyone). 1) I can see maybe one of the opposing general managers accepting a trade like that, but I doubt we'd get 2 to make that kind of trade 2) That's a lot of long-term salary to take on 3) That's a lot of changes to make to a team that vouches for it's chemistry (although it IS nice that the only rotation player gone would be Wally. But I don't know if we'd want to add 2 huge players like that, even if it's a huge upgrade in talent. Just seems like a lot. One sounds perfect, along with a smaller piece like Joe Smith or another buyout).

I'm not saying the salary isn't a big thing to take on for several years past 2010, but then again... I'm not Dan Gilbert :chuckles:.

The two aforementioned players discussed do bring some nice personality to the team and are probably more interested in winning the championship at this point.

They work very similarly to what a Vince Carter could bring... maybe 10% of what Chris Bosh or Amare would bring... the ability to dump the ball to a threat. LeBron or Mo is usually the players that get this treatment (85+% of the time for one, 10+% for another... when we desperately need to get points on the board). With Jefferson and Jamison (or one or the other), we have the ability to dump the ball into another player, take LeBron off the ball.

...LeBron off the ball...

...LeBron off the ball...

*speaking slowly, echoing* L-e-Br-o-n o-ff th-e balllll.

Isn't that one of the reasons for our success? Wouldn't adding two people with the ability to create and/or facilitate (*cough*17-20 points a game*cough*) encourage him even more?

These guys will have the ball so much, that they learn the offensive sets fairly easily. Having their abilities do produce more success. And keeping most of our rotation guys this time around will get them into the loop quicker (remember that 4+ rotation guys were gone last year and injuries also played a part to slowing it down, our chemistry may help play a factor too).

I'm not certain if the costs would work out as much, but winning the ring will draw LeBron back in for more. The success will probably keep our ratings through the roof. And ways to keep flexibility work out as long as we can keep most of the young players who can be a big part of our success. And whatever drop offs occur, they probably will still allow us to either move them via the expiring route or get other guys to package in or from buyouts.

But either way, getting those guys still will possibly result in a nice goal: A Championship for Cleveland .

 

[ncf135]

It looks like Bucks are not trading RJ after all. But you can have Ridnour or/and Gadzuric if you wish?