Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (spoilers)

[gourimoko]

Can't really blame Harrison Ford, can you?

Definitely not.. She'd have gotten the full hookup..

 

[col63onel]

Right franchise, but the characters are all wrong....

Wasn't the problem that the Empire stored secret data on a private server, and that it was then stolen by rebels because it was not secured? It was then leaked to the rebel alliance, the result of which was the destruction of the Death Star/Hillary's campaign? So viewed that way....

This is Hillary:

This is Putin:

And this is Assange:

Palpatine:

- A wrinkly old white guy with weird hair

- Rose to power off overblown corruption allegations against his political rival (a former friend), which he secretly had a hand in, and was never democratically elected

- Was extremely racist and xenophobic

- Pursued a military strategy of WMDs

- Was hated by Samuel L Jackson

 

[Sebastian]

Palpatine:

- A wrinkly old white guy with weird hair

- Rose to power off overblown corruption allegations against his political rival (a former friend), which he secretly had a hand in, and was never democratically elected

- Was extremely racist and xenophobic

- Pursued a military strategy of WMDs

- Was hated by Samuel L Jackson

- Also loved bigger and bigger construction projects that were no where near cost effective or worthwhile with relation to benefit.

- Put his name on everything.

- His right-hand man also likes torturing children.

- Also thought Chris Christie is a cuck bitch.

 

[Sebastian]

Star Wars MoviesRevenue
Star Wars : Episode 1 – The Phantom Menace$924,317,558
Star Wars : Episode 2 – Attack of the Clones$649,398,328
Star Wars : Episode 3 – Revenge of the Sith$848,754,768
Star Wars : Episode 4 – A New Hope$775,398,007
Star Wars : Episode 5 – Empire Strikes Back$538,375,067
Star Wars : Episode 6 – Return of the Jedi$475,106,177
Star Wars : Episode 7 – The Force Awakens$2,068,223,624
Star Wars : Rogue One$30,000,000 (Opening Night)
Star Wars : The Clone Wars$68,282,844
Total Box Office Revenue$6,342,000,000

Rank by Revenue.
Star Wars : Episode 7 – The Force Awakens $2,068,223,624
Star Wars : Episode 1 – The Phantom Menace $924,317,558
Star Wars : Episode 3 – Revenge of the Sith $848,754,768
Star Wars : Episode 4 – A New Hope $775,398,007
Star Wars : Episode 2 – Attack of the Clones $649,398,328
Star Wars : Episode 5 – Empire Strikes Back $538,375,067
Star Wars : Episode 6 – Return of the Jedi$475,106,177
Star Wars : The Clone Wars$68,282,844
Star Wars : Rogue One$30,000,000 (Opening Night)

But the people have spoken. while Rogue one is toward the bottom of the list its still in theatres and A New Hope is still the King. Episode 8 with the last appearance by Carrie Fisher has a good shot to knock it out the park. Phantom menace even though it brought in the dollars didnt draw in the numbers of the sappy Return of the Jedi.

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<thead><tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>DOMESTIC GROSSES Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation*</th><th>&nbsp;</th><th>&nbsp;</th><th>&nbsp;</th><th>&nbsp;</th></tr></thead><tbody>
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<tr><td>Rank</td><td>Title (click to view)</td><td>Studio</td><td>Adjusted Gross</td><td>Year^</td></tr>
<tr><td>2</td><td>Star Wars</td><td>Fox</td><td>$1,515,797,800.00</td><td>1977^</td></tr>
<tr><td>11</td><td>Star Wars: The Force Awakens</td><td>BV</td><td>$920,059,500.00</td><td>2015</td></tr>
<tr><td>13</td><td>The Empire Strikes Back</td><td>Fox</td><td>$835,517,200.00</td><td>1980^</td></tr>
<tr><td>16</td><td>Return of the Jedi</td><td>Fox</td><td>$800,445,600.00</td><td>1983^</td></tr>
<tr><td>18</td><td>Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace</td><td>Fox</td><td>$768,555,700.00</td><td>1999^</td></tr>
<tr><td>63</td><td>Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith</td><td>Fox</td><td>$504,852,200.00</td><td>2005^</td></tr>
<tr><td>92</td><td>Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones</td><td>Fox</td><td>$455,016,700.00</td><td>2002^</td></tr>
<tr><td>96</td><td>Rogue One: A Star Wars Story</td><td>BV</td><td>$439,714,700.00</td><td>2016</td></tr>
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Franchise fatigue is not uncommon.

Star Wars used to be special by virtue of the wait between films, and of course TPM benefited greatly from the large gap between itself and ROTJ. Now that we will have a Star Wars movie every year ad infinitum, numbers will level off or even diminish depending on quality. If the films after TFA remain good, then it will have a nice plateau as the Marvel films do. If Episode VIII is not good, we may see a more precipitous decline.

Rogue One had an almost reasonable budget for a film of its kind (would have been much cheaper if they hadn't re-shot a significant part of the film), and what it lacks at the box office will certainly be earned back in merchandizing. So Disney is sitting pretty compared to say, oh, Warners and DC who spent enormous sums in production for three films that underperformed financially, are mostly maligned (sorry @gourimoko) and were not anywhere kid friendly enough to generate even decent merchandise sales (Sony did far worse with that pile of shit Ghostbusters remake).

 

[Tornicade]

Franchise fatigue is not uncommon.

Star Wars used to be special by virtue of the wait between films, and of course TPM benefited greatly from the large gap between itself and ROTJ. Now that we will have a Star Wars movie every year ad infinitum, numbers will level off or even diminish depending on quality. If the films after TFA remain good, then it will have a nice plateau as the Marvel films do. If Episode VIII is not good, we may see a more precipitous decline.

Rogue One had an almost reasonable budget for a film of its kind (would have been much cheaper if they hadn't re-shot a significant part of the film), and what it lacks at the box office will certainly be earned back in merchandizing. So Disney is sitting pretty compared to say, oh, Warners and DC who spent enormous sums in production for three films that underperformed financially, are mostly maligned (sorry @gourimoko) and were not anywhere kid friendly enough to generate even decent merchandise sales (Sony did far worse with that pile of shit Ghostbusters remake).

How is it lacking at the box office... it is still in theatres
Jedi was released in 1983 and the phantom menace in 1999. that's a 16 year gap and the difference between TFA and rogue one releases is a year.

I don't think box franchise fatigue is an issue here.

You could argue that Episodes 1-3 were released in a different medium era. but TFA adjusted adjusted for ticket inflation sort of puts a damper on that.

last I Checked Rogue one was projected at 7 billion worldwide by the time it ends its theatre run.

I'm pretty sure that by the time Rogue one's run is done their adjusted domesticate revenue will pass Episodes 2 and 3 at the very least.

 

[Sebastian]

How is it lacking at the box office... it is still in theatres
Jedi was released in 1983 and the phantom menace in 1999. that's a 16 year gap and the difference between TFA and rogue one releases is a year.

I don't think box franchise fatigue is an issue here.

You could argue that Episodes 1-3 were released in a different medium era. but TFA adjusted adjusted for ticket inflation sort of puts a damper on that.

last I Checked Rogue one was projected at 7 billion worldwide by the time it ends its theatre run.

I'm pretty sure that by the time Rogue one's run is done their adjusted domesticate revenue will pass Episodes 2 and 3 at the very least.

I'm not sure we are arguing here. Perhaps I mis-read your post?

It seemed you were arguing that R1 was doing poorly in relation to the other films? My contention is R1 is doing well, although TFA's numbers are more reflective of a nostalgia bump than quality.

Incidentally, I saw R1 for the third time as it is a dead period for releases this week. I like it more each time I see it. It is the inverse of TFA.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Honestly, when I was a kid.. the Ewoks were the shit!

Oh, I understand that perspective, and that's why there is so much legitimate subjectivity when it comes to movies. My ranking is just for me, for the specific reasons I've given .

Still, there are movies that can easily appeal to both kids and adults - ET for example - if it is well done. The Ewoks would have been fine, and equally cute/marketable, if they hadn't made the inexplicably asinine decision to arm them with freaking spears. Give them blasters, and then have them fight intelligently, using their size and fighting on their home turf as an advantage.

Have them fight like a hybrid of the Gopher from Caddyshack and Japanese island defenders from WW2, using interconnected underground tunnels to pop up, blast Stormtroopers from behind, then duck down and move to evade fire. An endless series of ambushes as the Stormtroopers try to track down the rebels.

It could have been both humorous and believable - stormtroopers getting their asses kicked by blaster-wielding Whack-A-Moles who happen to look like teddy bears.

Instead, we got the laughable (for all the wrong reasons) spear and stone throwing Ewoks, who were about as dangerous as a four year old with a toy sword.

 

[Coyote850]

I read a long time ago that Lucas was looking to make the Ewoks kinda like the Viet Cong. Backwards, yet resilient, going up against a superpower.

 

[Ohio]

Loved the furry people when I was a kid.

Just rewatched the OT, and man those Ewoks are so bad. SO BAD.

First 30 min of ROTJ in Jabba's palace are pretty brutal as well.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I read a long time ago that Lucas was looking to make the Ewoks kinda like the Viet Cong. Backwards, yet resilient, going up against a superpower.

Obviously, he overlooked the fact that the VC actually had guns.

You gotta think there were some people involved during filming or post-production who were rolling their eyes at what they were asking the audience to believe.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Loved the furry people when I was a kid.

Just rewatched the OT, and man those Ewoks are so bad. SO BAD.

Did you ever see the original theatrical version with the Ewoks dancing to that incredibly lame song at the end? John Williams should be ashamed of himself for that piece of shit. As I said before, I was literally embarrassed to be in the theater at that point:

 

[Coyote850]

I was 14 at the time. Hated the Ewoks. But I was more struck by an overwhelming sadness that Star Wars was overwith. That I would never see another SW movie on the big screen. How wrong I was....

 

[-Akronite-]

A few rebuttals:

1) Even as an adult I still love the Ewoks. They were funny, light-hearted, and represented that the struggle drew in even those that seem primitive and remote to be a part of defeating the evil empire. I still get sad when that explosion kills an Ewok and his friend shakes him to no reply... It might have been better with Wookiees but it still wasn't bad IMO. Nothing even close to Jar-Jar or that unibrowed guy from the Hobbit. Now THAT shit was hard to watch.

2) The Jabba Palace sequence is fucking sick. Luke's plot to save the day is awesome, the green lightsaber is badass, and the ORIGINAL version of the songs are great. The worst things about Return of the Jedi are the edits Lucas made years later. That Honeycomb monster scatting with the weird sexy versions of aliens is pure garbage.

3) Speaking of original songs, I LOVE YUB NUB. The new ending song is also good because John Williams is great, but it just feels off because it doesn't match what's happening on screen (like the spot when they clang on helmets matching percussion in the original). Don't understand the embarrassment people apparently felt watching it. It's a happy moment of celebration, they took care of the darkness on the Death Star.

 

[Tornicade]

But the people have spoken.

and A New Hope is still the King. Episode 8 with the last appearance by Carrie Fisher has a good shot to knock it out the park. Phantom menace even though it brought in the dollars didnt draw in the numbers of the sappy Return of the Jedi.

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<tr><td>Rank</td><td>Title (click to view)</td><td>Studio</td><td>Adjusted Gross</td><td>Year^</td></tr>
<tr><td>2</td><td>Star Wars</td><td>Fox</td><td>$1,515,797,800.00</td><td>1977^</td></tr>
<tr><td>11</td><td>Star Wars: The Force Awakens</td><td>BV</td><td>$920,059,500.00</td><td>2015</td></tr>
<tr><td>13</td><td>The Empire Strikes Back</td><td>Fox</td><td>$835,517,200.00</td><td>1980^</td></tr>
<tr><td>16</td><td>Return of the Jedi</td><td>Fox</td><td>$800,445,600.00</td><td>1983^</td></tr>
<tr><td>18</td><td>Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace</td><td>Fox</td><td>$768,555,700.00</td><td>1999^</td></tr>
<tr><td>63</td><td>Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith</td><td>Fox</td><td>$504,852,200.00</td><td>2005^</td></tr>
<tr><td>92</td><td>Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones</td><td>Fox</td><td>$455,016,700.00</td><td>2002^</td></tr>
<tr><td>96</td><td>Rogue One: A Star Wars Story</td><td>BV</td><td>$439,714,700.00</td><td>2016</td></tr>
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I'm not sure we are arguing here. Perhaps I mis-read your post?

It seemed you were arguing that R1 was doing poorly in relation to the other films? My contention is R1 is doing well, although TFA's numbers are more reflective of a nostalgia bump than quality.

Incidentally, I saw R1 for the third time as it is a dead period for releases this week. I like it more each time I see it. It is the inverse of TFA.

People were ranking the series so I posted the sales charts. Thought it would be interesting to see the actual revenues compared to the total revenues.


The data for Rogue one was just opening night for actual revenue and less than 2 weeks for Rogue which is in its 3rd week as number 1 box office draw.

 

[gourimoko]

A few rebuttals:

1) Even as an adult I still love the Ewoks. They were funny, light-hearted, and represented that the struggle drew in even those that seem primitive and remote to be a part of defeating the evil empire. I still get sad when that explosion kills an Ewok and his friend shakes him to no reply... It might have been better with Wookiees but it still wasn't bad IMO. Nothing even close to Jar-Jar or that unibrowed guy from the Hobbit. Now THAT shit was hard to watch.

2) The Jabba Palace sequence is fucking sick. Luke's plot to save the day is awesome, the green lightsaber is badass, and the ORIGINAL version of the songs are great. The worst things about Return of the Jedi are the edits Lucas made years later. That Honeycomb monster scatting with the weird sexy versions of aliens is pure garbage.

3) Speaking of original songs, I LOVE YUB NUB. The new ending song is also good because John Williams is great, but it just feels off because it doesn't match what's happening on screen (like the spot when they clang on helmets matching percussion in the original). Don't understand the embarrassment people apparently felt watching it. It's a happy moment of celebration, they took care of the darkness on the Death Star.

Agreed, especially on #2...