Shumpert trade ideas

[Randolphkeys]

1. What I'm seeing from Griffin is additional playmaking is goal #1, #2, and #3 for the roster. LeBron and Ty Lue specified point guard because traditionally your playmaking comes from that position, but Griffin sees his roster full of shooting guards and wonders if he can get a LeBron Lite who facilitates from a more positionless point of view. I'm fine with either.
2. I think it's important to have the perspective that Mo Williams was expected to strap on a pair and provide that playmaking while Felder learns on the end of the bench, but then all Mo strapped on was a pair of fake street walker tranny boobs.

 

[gourimoko]

1. What I'm seeing from Griffin is additional playmaking is goal #1, #2, and #3 for the roster. LeBron and Ty Lue specified point guard because traditionally your playmaking comes from that position, but Griffin sees his roster full of shooting guards and wonders if he can get a LeBron Lite who facilitates from a more positionless point of view. I'm fine with either.

This is exactly what I'm seeing in his comments as well... He clearly used the word "playmaker" and then clarified that there is a distinction between "playmaker" and "point guard," and that the Cavs need a "playmaker."

I agree with him 100% as the logical conclusion here entails the fact that he's talking about a wing player.

He gets it...

I think it's important to have the perspective that Mo Williams was expected to strap on a pair and provide that playmaking while Felder learns on the end of the bench, but then all Mo strapped on was a pair of fake street walker tranny boobs.

 

[Lee]

I just feel someone like Tyreke Evans might be in our future.

Griff said they need play making, even if not from a pg. He is shooting 35% from 3 now, so his shooting has improved. Just feel that might be the type of player that is reasonable to get for Iman.

Gay would be great, but he is neither a play maker or rim protector. And we keep getting hints about play making.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I just feel someone like Tyreke Evans might be in our future.

Griff said they need play making, even if not from a pg. He is shooting 35% from 3 now, so his shooting has improved. Just feel that might be the type of player that is reasonable to get for Iman.

Gay would be great, but he is neither a play maker or rim protector. And we keep getting hints about play making.

Playmaking is such a vague term though.

Making a play for yourself is as much playmaking as making a play for someone else is.

I wouldn't mind Tyreke if the health questions were tossed out the window.

Also...Rudy Gay has averaged ~3 APG 3 of his last 4 seasons as a SF...for non-LeBron mortals, that's a pretty nice number from a SF, and puts him in the top 10 for that position every year...think going to a team where he isn't a primary scoring option (he's 2nd in Sacto, he'd be 4th here) that number might go up.

Certainly not who you'd think of when you think of traditional playmaking, i.e. setting up teammates, but a playmaker nonetheless.

 

[Walter White]

I just feel someone like Tyreke Evans might be in our future.

Griff said they need play making, even if not from a pg. He is shooting 35% from 3 now, so his shooting has improved. Just feel that might be the type of player that is reasonable to get for Iman.

Gay would be great, but he is neither a play maker or rim protector. And we keep getting hints about play making.

I don't think Tyreke would fit well. I guess he fits the play maker role, but his shooting and defense is suspect. And we have plenty of 2 guards which is his primary position. Which maybe he could guard some SF's too, but I don't think we will pay that much for essentially a back up PG when so many decent back up PG's will be on the market relatively cheap.

But, I guess I could get it. If it is just at the cost of Shump and it is the best we can get, I'd probably be okay with it. A better ball handler, creator, and scorer. I just think Rudy Gay would give us a tougher dynamic to matchup with because he is a better shooter, bigger, and probably just a better player. But that is preference.

For Shump, either player would make us more dynamic. Tyreke can play 1-3 spots. Rudy can play 2-4. Both can handle the ball. Both can get their own shot. Both better than Shump. Either makes us a tougher team.

Looks like Tyreke is coming off an injury, so he can probably be had rather easily. That is concerning, especially since it was a knee injury. But if we believe he is healthy now, perhaps we take that risk. That is a big risk though.

 

[Lee]

Playmaking is such a vague term though.

Making a play for yourself is as much playmaking as making a play for someone else is.

I wouldn't mind Tyreke if the health questions were tossed out the window.

Also...Rudy Gay has averaged ~3 APG 3 of his last 4 seasons as a SF...for non-LeBron mortals, that's a pretty nice number from a SF, and puts him in the top 10 for that position every year...think going to a team where he isn't a primary scoring option (he's 2nd in Sacto, he'd be 4th here) that number might go up.

Certainly not who you'd think of when you think of traditional playmaking, i.e. setting up teammates, but a playmaker nonetheless.

I rather have gay than shump 10 out of 10 times.

I am not 100% sold on Gay though compared to some other options as i dont know he fills our needs, but he is a good player.

 

[gourimoko]

I just feel someone like Tyreke Evans might be in our future.

He's the first name that came into my mind... He's definitely available. There's just the question of risk... Can he get healthy in time for the playoffs?

 

[Lee]

I don't think Tyreke would fit well. I guess he fits the play maker role, but his shooting and defense is suspect. And we have plenty of 2 guards which is his primary position. Which maybe he could guard some SF's too, but I don't think we will pay that much for essentially a back up PG when so many decent back up PG's will be on the market relatively cheap.

But, I guess I could get it. If it is just at the cost of Shump and it is the best we can get, I'd probably be okay with it. A better ball handler, creator, and scorer. I just think Rudy Gay would give us a tougher dynamic to matchup with because he is a better shooter, bigger, and probably just a better player. But that is preference.

For Shump, either player would make us more dynamic. Tyreke can play 1-3 spots. Rudy can play 2-4. Both can handle the ball. Both can get their own shot. Both better than Shump. Either makes us a tougher team.

Looks like Tyreke is coming off an injury, so he can probably be had rather easily. That is concerning, especially since it was a knee injury. But if we believe he is healthy now, perhaps we take that risk. That is a big risk though.

Lots of reasons i dont want Tyreke, but i am just affraid that is the out of box thinking they are going with,

He is in the final year of his contract too, and with players getting way over paid, i rather keep Shump locked up for a few more years.

But he did play pg early in his career and fills the play maker role that they are talking about. I was suggesting i want him, just that might be the type of deal we get.

 

[Lee]

He's the first name that came into my mind... He's definitely available. There's just the question of risk... Can he get healthy in time for the playoffs?

Huge risk, and final year of contract.

Not sure i am interested personally, but D Griff doesnt ask me before he makes trades either.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Huge risk, and final year of contract.

Not sure i am interested personally, but D Griff doesnt ask me before he makes trades either.

Same way I'd feel about a deal for Gay, also an expiring...hope the Cavs make the deal with intent to re-sign them, otherwise it would be no bueno for me.

 

[Pioneer10]

I'd take Evans easily over Shumpert. It's not like Shumpert fit wells as he sucks on offense.
Look at GS: neither Livingston or Igoudala are good shooters but they are good offensive players. The question is health with him - I'd definitely take a flyer on him.

If the stars align we already have Frye, Korver, and JR to light it up from outside along with the Big 3. I doubt shooting would be a reason we go down. Lack of defense and a bogged down offense woudl be reasons and Evans can at least help with the second

 

[Real Deal]

Trade Shumpert!

 

[Lyuokdea]

Just don't see Evans as being worth the risk -- the knee condition seems degenerative (though I'd trust the doctors opinions on that).

Also, he's going to want $15M/year next year, and I don't know why you spend that.

Also he's a terrible defender, and a suspect shooter (Shump is definitely a better 3PT shooter).

In some order I'd go with:

Knight
Gay
Keep Shumpert
Evans

I think Gay would be the best fit for this year, but Knight's contract and youth make him more helpful overall.

There's gotta be some other options out there that we aren't talking about? Deron Williams? Lance Stephenson?

 

[Lyuokdea]

Suddenly starting Shumpert today after the Griffin comments has to be an indication that Shumpert is on the table though, right?

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Are we really going to do this meme if he has another hot stretch of saying 'you can't possibly trade him, he's found his groove!' Literally right after just getting done saying 'man, wish we would've traded him when he was balling at the beginning of the season' after his recent slump

I'm with Rich. You can get Shumps production for a whole lot cheaper. Now I don't know about a draft pick, but I would trade him for someone who can actually play defense and not just someone who flashes from time to time but mostly just sucks at everything