SJax and Z trade rumor

[bushwick_bill]

I'm shocked Ferry couldn't get a good player and a different team got him with less to offer then we had. Wait no I'm not that's Ferry's M.O. A better shooting guard won't pop up by the deadline, way to go out and do your job Ferry, you better have an all-star down the pipeline waiting to come here or you failed yet again.

Don't mention shaq or mo as achievements, the teams they were on gave them to us since we were doing them a favor. Ferry has never in his career traded or signed anyone worth a damn in his entire career, he's a failure as a gm, he has had a lot of time to draft well, sign well, and get players to put around Lebron, and he has failed at all of them, if you don't count the two players handed to him for salary dumps. His initial dwest, wallace, szerbiak crap was a salary dump too, and was executed to cover his hughes mistake. Whatever.

Once again, are you out of your fucking mind too???

 

[zoomlebron]

We still have all our trading chips in tacked. Hoping for a Jazz or NO collapse and we strike like a wild animal.

Hopefully David West becomes available, but we deseperately needed a starting caliber two-guard who can defend and create offense....Jackson was that player...

 

[RonG]

I'm shocked Ferry couldn't get a good player and a different team got him with less to offer then we had. Wait no I'm not that's Ferry's M.O. A better shooting guard won't pop up by the deadline, way to go out and do your job Ferry, you better have an all-star down the pipeline waiting to come here or you failed yet again.

Don't mention shaq or mo as achievements, the teams they were on gave them to us since we were doing them a favor. Ferry has never in his career traded or signed anyone worth a damn in his entire career, he's a failure as a gm, he has had a lot of time to draft well, sign well, and get players to put around Lebron, and he has failed at all of them, if you don't count the two players handed to him for salary dumps. His initial dwest, wallace, szerbiak crap was a salary dump too, and was executed to cover his hughes mistake. Whatever.

Laughable post at best.

 

[MoFlo]

Wow..

Really?

Complaining that we didn't get a chucker that is now shooting 28% from 3?

1.) It may not seem like it, but Charlotte's offer was pretty damn good. Bell is a damn good defender & can shoot the 3. Radmonovic can shoot the 3 & gives Golden State much needed size.

Raja Bell|Stephen Jackson
31.4 MPG|34.3 MPG
12.0 PPG|16.6 PPG
4.2 RPG|3.9 RPG
2.0 APG|4.7 APG
.8 SPG|1.6 SPG
1.0 TOPG|2.9 TOPG
43.6% FG|42.1% FG
37.5% 3pt|27.5% 3pt

2.) We weren't going to trade a big w/out getting a big back, and obviously Golden State needed size as well, so they didn't want to send 1 back our way.

3.) Obviously, we have LeBron & Mo who do the bulk of the ball handling. Shaq is going to get his touches early. Jackson needs the ball in his hands to be effective. When does he get that chance?

4.) When Mo has the ball in his hands, he not only can set up his teammates, but he can also beat you in a variety of ways. He can get to the rim, he can stop & pop, he can hit the floater & he can drain the 3. Jackson might be able to score, but he needs a lot of shots to do it, and he can't shoot the 3 consistently. And he may average 4.7 assists right now, but that is highly padded by his 15 assists he had against Minnesota, in which his team scored 146 points, something the Cavs just don't do.

 

[Ruggeder]

Once again, are you out of your fucking mind too???

I'm not saying that Jackson is a superstar, but certainly you must agree that he, as an all-star, is better then the garbage we would have traded him for? And that an all-star on the cavs improves us, and therefore allows us to compete better? That is the point of collecting talent on a team isn't it, to win more? Sucking off lebron doesn't make you a good gm, just a sticky one.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I'm not saying that Jackson is a superstar, but certainly you must agree that he, as an all-star, is better then the garbage we would have traded him for? And that an all-star on the cavs improves us, and therefore allows us to compete better? That is the point of collecting talent on a team isn't it, to win more? Sucking off lebron doesn't make you a good gm, just a sticky one.

1.) Stephen Jackson was never an all-star. Never. Not even once.
2.) The Cavs had an offer on the table for Stephen Jackson that likely included the "garbage" you speak of. The Bobcats traded away Raja Bell(a PRODUCTIVE EXPIRING CONTRACT WHO HAS EXCELLED ON FAST-PACED TEAMS HIS ENTIRE CAREER) and Radmonovich(A Big, 6'10, who can shoot the basketball).

Charlotte just gave a superior offer dude. Get over it.

 

[Hydroponic3385]

I'm not saying that Jackson is a superstar, but certainly you must agree that he, as an all-star, is better then the garbage we would have traded him for? And that an all-star on the cavs improves us, and therefore allows us to compete better? That is the point of collecting talent on a team isn't it, to win more? Sucking off lebron doesn't make you a good gm, just a sticky one.

I'm pretty sure Jackson has never been an all-star. His .421 FG% and .275 3PT% are surely not impressive. Nor are his attitude problems.

Would Jackson have been a nice addition for Wally straight-up (perhaps throwing in a D-Block or someone inconsequential)? Yeah. Is he worth giving up anything significant? No. Charlotte gave up 2 rotation men (1 starter even).

 

[bushwick_bill]

I'm not saying that Jackson is a superstar, but certainly you must agree that he, as an all-star, is better then the garbage we would have traded him for? And that an all-star on the cavs improves us, and therefore allows us to compete better? That is the point of collecting talent on a team isn't it, to win more? Sucking off lebron doesn't make you a good gm, just a sticky one.

Son you are fucking crazy and you don't have a clue what you are talking about...

 

[nime]

Too bad.

Here is hoping West gets healthy and ready...Cuz we need another SG/strong defender to help Parker and Mo out.

Delonte is that guy off the bench.

Now time to focus on a JJ for David West deal.

ESPN or the NY Times will now put out an article that LBJ is leaving because the Cavs failed to get Jackson.
Every media outlet will pick it up.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Too bad.

Here is hoping West gets healthy and ready...Cuz we need another SG/strong defenderto help Parker and Mo out.

Delonte is that guy off the bench.

Now time to focus on a JJ for David West deal.

David West + James Posey for Expirings + Whatever.

ray:

 

[sam_slam911]

Not gonna lie and say I didn't want him anyway, he woulda been a decent pickup, but we did the right thing by not offering too much.

Golden State is just one of many teams off to bad starts and money troubles, with star players either wanting out or with big contracts. Teams to watch now are Toronto, Memphis, New Orleans, Utah and New Jersey.

 

[MYoung23]

Time to put a stake through the heart of this thread and burn the body.

 

[Big O]

I have to say I'm disappointed we didn't land Jackson. This team to me still needs another creator on offense. Maybe Jackson wasn't the "perfect" solution, but I feel he was the best available. To me, we still aren't on par with the other elite teams as far as talent. I just don't think we can win a championship with Parker and Hickson in our starting lineup. It seems to me that the organization overvalues team chemistry as opposed to adding more talent. I wouldn't worry about team chemistry as long as LeBron is on the team. All I can think about is that when teams double LeBron and take Mo out the game are we supposed to feel confident in Hickson and Parker to step up? I just don't see this team as having enough talent to compete with the elite teams. Hopefully I'm wrong.

I agree with this,although I am pleasantly surprised with JJ`s play so far and he should keep improving and become more comfortable.I would also add to Parker and Hickson starting,I don`t think we win with AV and a no problem West either.

 

[tedginnjr]

1.) Stephen Jackson was never an all-star. Never. Not even once.
2.) The Cavs had an offer on the table for Stephen Jackson that likely included the "garbage" you speak of. The Bobcats traded away Raja Bell(a PRODUCTIVE EXPIRING CONTRACT WHO HAS EXCELLED ON FAST-PACED TEAMS HIS ENTIRE CAREER) and Radmonovich(A Big, 6'10, who can shoot the basketball).

Charlotte just gave a superior offer dude. Get over it.

One thing is clear: By no means did Golden State make this trade to increase their wins this season. They made it for a salary dump. Talent had absolutely nothing to do with this trade. Raja Bell was nothing to them but an expiring contract.

Now that we have that out of the way, it's pretty clear that we just didn't make an offer to them. Hollinger sums it up pretty nicely, though I disagree with his conclusion that it could be about LeBron leaving:

None of that, however, answers our biggest question about this trade: Whither Cleveland? We had heard of the Cavs' interesting in acquiring Cap'n Jack, perhaps by using Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West in a sign-and-trade. Such a deal would have given the Warriors full, immediate cap relief after the season once they waived West (whose contract isn't guaranteed for next year) and Szczerbiak (whose contract wouldn't be guaranteed beyond this year in a sign-and-trade).

Such an arrangement would also have given the Warriors two major assets in the "confederate money" of non-guaranteed contracts. In other words, it was a much better deal than the one offered by Charlotte. And while the Warriors are fools, I don't think they're so foolish that they knowingly turned down a superior trade.

Charlotte didn't outbid Cleveland; ergo I believe Cleveland decided it didn't want to do this trade. And to me, the biggest reason they'd say no is because they're concerned that LeBron James might walk after this season. In that scenario, Jackson moves from "final piece of the puzzle" to "salary cap millstone," effectively preventing the Cavs from having the cap space to sign a replacement for James should he bolt next summer.

There may be other issues here, obviously -- maybe they were just freaked out by Jackson's persona, or thought he'd dominate the ball too much, or didn't think he could guard 2s. Any of those reasons might be valid.

But with Jackson now headed to Charlotte after the Cavs seemingly balked at acquiring him, it's now a fair question to ask: Are the Cavs so worried about LeBron leaving that they need to keep their options open?

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

One thing is clear: By no means did Golden State make this trade to increase their wins this season. They made it for a salary dump. Talent had absolutely nothing to do with this trade. Raja Bell was nothing to them but an expiring contract.

Now that we have that out of the way, it's pretty clear that we just didn't make an offer to them. Hollinger sums it up pretty nicely, though I disagree with his conclusion that it could be about LeBron leaving:

A "salary dump" does not include taking back Valdimar Radmonovic who is owed close to 7 million dollars NEXT year as well.

It's pretty clear that you, and Hollinger are wrong. Hollinger doesn't know what he's talking about here.

Here's some Windy tweets/excerpts from Windy's article.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Warriors will be in town later this afternoon but Stephen Jackson won't be with them after he was traded to the Charlotte Bobcats with Acie Law for Raja Bell and Vladimir Radmanovic today.

Jackson was at the center of numerous trade rumors linked to the Cavs over the last six weeks, in fact I dedicated an entire NBA Insider column to the possibility on Sunday after my conversations with people over the last 10 days indicated it had a real chance of happening. So why didn't it?

According to some league sources the Cavs indeed had an offer into the Warriors for Jackson. The two sides, I am told, talked about Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Delonte West and even a sign-and-trade for Wally Szczerbiak among other things. Directly, the Cavs were offering the Warriors a money dump.






And with a 7-3 record and on a four-game winning streak with things still developing this early in the season, the Cavs were unwilling to improve their offer over the weekend. How close the Warriors were to accepting it is known only to their top decision makers. According to a source, the Warriors made it know they wanted some talent in return and didn't just want to clear Jackson off the books.

Sources: Warriors told Cavs they wanted significant talent in return for SJax. Cavs offer was straight money dump. Choice made.

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