The Transgender Issue

[HerbFoster]

The issue is about someone who hasn't undergone a physical transformation.

A man with a beard and chest hair, who identifies as a woman, should be able to use a ladies' room.

That is the argument at hand.

These don't exist as far as I know.

EDIT: You can have a dick and pass for a woman. There are plenty of ugly women in the world that make this possible.

 

[David.]

The issue is about someone who hasn't undergone a physical transformation.

A man with a beard and chest hair, who identifies as a woman, should be able to use a ladies' room.

That is the argument at hand.

A man who identifies as a woman would never, ever have a beard.

Lol. That's the whole point

 

[czvo]

The issue is about someone who hasn't undergone a physical transformation.

A man with a beard and chest hair, who identifies as a woman, should be able to use a ladies' room.

That is the argument at hand.

But by stopping those folks, you stop the folks I referred to in my post. There's no "perfect" answer.

 

[David.]

Absolutely not.

Honestly, how would you explain this to your child?

Furthermore, do you think your daughter would feel comfortable changing in that room?

They we're saying the same thing about gay people kissing and getting married twenty years ago

 

[Damien O'Connel]

A man who identifies as a woman would never, ever have a beard.

Lol. That's the whole point

But would you admit that that shouldn't happen?

That is the side that you are arguing for. Regardless of one's physical self, they should be allowed to use whichever restroom they please.

 

[spydy13]

Again, why should I and my children be forced to "deal with it" and not the .3% of people who are transgender?

So we're just gonna boil this down to a numbers game?

So it was okay when my parents generation thought being gay was weird and suppressed those people? What about my grandparents generation who treated black people like second class citizens?

 

[Damien O'Connel]

They we're saying the same thing about gay people kissing and getting married twenty years ago

That's easy. "They love each other just like mommy and daddy."

Seriously, what would you say?

 

[David.]

But would you admit that that shouldn't happen?

That is the side that you are arguing for. Regardless of one's physical self, they should be allowed to use whichever restroom they please.

I am uncomfortable whether it is a dude or a girl.. Moreso if it was a girl..

In this venn diagram, I would be medium comfortable towards trans and their placement is heavily dependent on how believable their new gender was

 

[spydy13]

Absolutely not.

Honestly, how would you explain this to your child?

Furthermore, do you think your daughter would feel comfortable changing in that room?

I can guarantee your daughter will have seen a penis in her life before the incident. It's not the goddamn boogie man.

Edit: I'm a grown ass man and get uncomfortable when I go into a training room and see old guys walking around with their old balls flapping in the breeze, but I don't see people making laws telling old men to keep those things covered up.

 

[David.]

That's easy. "They love each other just like mommy and daddy."

Seriously, what would you say?

I would say "that's how they want to dress"

The question you're asking contradicts the notion that there is no difference between being manly or not.. Can't have it both ways (pun here somewhere)

 

[czvo]

Absolutely not.

Honestly, how would you explain this to your child?

Furthermore, do you think your daughter would feel comfortable changing in that room?

Again (and I could be wrong on this as I'm not transgender), a transgender person probably isn't trying to draw attention to the fact they are transgender. They're generally trying to fit in and live their life. Whipping out a dick in the women's changing room, by definition, is drawing attention to yourself

However, to answer your question, just be honest with the kid. Or throw a movie on the ipad and stop for ice cream on the way home. Kids have about 5 second attention spans. They're easily distracted.

 

[Damien O'Connel]

So we're just gonna boil this down to a numbers game?

So it was okay when my parents generation thought being gay was weird and suppressed those people? What about my grandparents generation who treated black people like second class citizens?

Straw man.

This is an issue of comfort, on both sides. I think you would be inconveniencing more people by doing this than you would be helping.

 

[spydy13]

Straw man.

This is an issue of comfort, on both sides. I think you would be inconveniencing more people by doing this than you would be helping.

Pulling this edit from my last post:

Edit: I'm a grown ass man and get uncomfortable when I go into a training room and see old guys walking around with their old balls flapping in the breeze, but I don't see people making laws telling old men to keep those things covered up.

 

[bcort]

They we're saying the same thing about gay people kissing and getting married twenty years ago

So we're just gonna boil this down to a numbers game?

So it was okay when my parents generation thought being gay was weird and suppressed those people? What about my grandparents generation who treated black people like second class citizens?

Both of you mentioned gay couples/marriages. I think this is a bit different than that.

Who should control when the opposite sex is explained to people's children? What's to protect parents if they believe it is themselves? I don't think saying "I can guarantee your daughter will have seen a penis in her life before the incident" really suffices as an answer.

 

[Damien O'Connel]

I can guarantee your daughter will have seen a penis in her life before the incident. It's not the goddamn boogie man.

Edit: I'm a grown ass man and get uncomfortable when I go into a training room and see old guys walking around with their old balls flapping in the breeze, but I don't see people making laws telling old men to keep those things covered up.

Agree with your edit.

But now your daughter is seeing those dicks too, in this scenario. Does she want to avoid changing rooms altogether after that?

Someone said that they have 5 second attention spans, but traumatic experiences (a traumatic experience for a kid can be anything) can shape their brain chemistry for years to come.

Again, I don't know what I would say to my daughter in that situation. I guess it would be something like "He wants to be a girl, he just wasn't born that way."

I'm not sure how that would go...how she would rationalize it and make sense of it.