Theoretically Ante Zizic

[Nathan S]

In the last 20 seasons, only 14 players age 22 or younger and height 6'10" or taller have averaged at least 3.0 assists per 36 (some of whom wouldn't even be considered "bigs"). If Zizic can do that this year, he'll be on a great trajectory to be a modern facilitator/scorer big man.

 

[NobodyImportant]

That chart tells me that Jokic is something special.

 

[godfather]

He kinda reminded me of Marc Gasol. I mean, you can't go by literal definitions. Of course there's differences, nor am I suggesting he'll be that good.

Definitely is fundamentally sound offensively. It's really hard to know what he is, given he barely plays, at all.

But the small sample size he's been given, he's shown to be pretty damn productive.

On any team in the league he'd be playing a lot more. But only here does he continue to collect dust.

 

[TyGuy]

In the last 20 seasons, only 14 players age 22 or younger and height 6'10" or taller have averaged at least 3.0 assists per 36 (some of whom wouldn't even be considered "bigs"). If Zizic can do that this year, he'll be on a great trajectory to be a modern facilitator/scorer big man.

Love should be on this list. He's listed at 6'10" on bball reference and averaged 4.4 assists per 36 in his last year at Minnesota.

Edit: NM didn't see the 22 or younger qualifier.

 

[Nathan S]

Love should be on this list. He's listed at 6'10" on bball reference and averaged 4.4 assists per 36 in his last year at Minnesota

This is age 22 and under only. My point is that while lots of bigs develop into better passers as they age, very few are good passers early on in their career (and those few usually go on to be very good offensive bigs). Love was extremely close to making the list at age 21, for what it's worth (2.9).

 

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QUOTE="Nathan S, post: 3147444, member: 10624"]In the last 20 seasons, only 14 players age 22 or younger and height 6'10" or taller have averaged at least 3.0 assists per 36 (some of whom wouldn't even be considered "bigs"). If Zizic can do that this year, he'll be on a great trajectory to be a modern facilitator/scorer big man.

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Well Ante has 4.4 assists per 36 this season.

 

[Nathan S]

Well Ante has 4.4 assists per 36 this season.

Such a small sample size that I didn't even bother mentioning it, but yeah, he actually has 4 assists in 33 minutes so far this year after totaling just 5 assists in 214 minutes last year.

 

[Cavatt]

Such a small sample size that I didn't even bother mentioning it, but yeah, he actually has 4 assists in 33 minutes so far this year after totaling just 5 assists in 214 minutes last year.

Looked very good passing the ball in summer league of course

 

[Nathan S]

Looked very good passing the ball in summer league of course

For sure. I think summer league was the first time the Marc Gasol comp occurred to me.

 

[SmudgeHog]

#20 Hedo Turkoglu

I remember Turkoglu. He's now Enes Kanter's arch enemy:

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[LeeBuckeye]

He’s played 33 minutes in 5 games with 24 minutes coming in the first 2 games against Toronto and Minnesota. Just seems like Lue doesn’t value Zizic as a prospect and Altman is too weak to assert his will. TT is done, he’s peaked and is physically in the decline already. The off-season directive post LeBron should’ve been to start Nance and Love with Zizic coming off the bench but here we are.

 

[rcj47]

I would also love to see Sexton play with Zizic setting screens for him. Nance is also a good screener.

 

[Douglar]

He’s played 33 minutes in 5 games with 24 minutes coming in the first 2 games against Toronto and Minnesota. Just seems like Lue doesn’t value Zizic as a prospect and Altman is too weak to assert his will. TT is done, he’s peaked and is physically in the decline already. The off-season directive post LeBron should’ve been to start Nance and Love with Zizic coming off the bench but here we are.

I'm not sure you can read that far into Lue & Altman's mind from the info we have available.

Cavs have a number of expensive vet contracts that they have to move for value if they want to jump start the rebuild. Sitting those guys on the bench is not going to build value. Playing the young guys isn't a recipe for winning games either. It's going to be a long year.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm not sure you can read that far into Lue & Altman's mind from the info we have available.

Cavs have a number of expensive vet contracts that they have to move for value if they want to jump start the rebuild. Sitting those guys on the bench is not going to build value. Playing the young guys isn't a recipe for winning games either. It's going to be a long year.

Are you saying that the other insiders are wrong in saying there is a disconnect between Lue and the FO regarding playing the veterans? Because while the reason you gave might make sense, that's not what we've been told.

Also, if that was the case, why wouldn't JR - who we'd clearly like to move - have been starting or at least given rotational minutes from the start?

The Zizic thing is just weird. When we decided to bench Dekker, who was playing the 4, amd yhen Love went down, one obvious move would have been to have Nance play some minutes at the 4 and give Zizic some minutes at the 5. Instead, Lue decides to have J.R. play backup PF minutes, and keep Zizic on the bench.

It's like Zizic ate Lue's dog or something.

 

[ice cream man]

Are you saying that the other insiders are wrong in saying there is a disconnect between Lue and the FO regarding playing the veterans? Because while the reason you gave might make sense, that's not what we've been told.

Also, if that was the case, why wouldn't JR - who we'd clearly like to move - have been starting or at least given rotational minutes from the start?

Because JR’s value is set at this point in his career, and he wasn’t 100%. And it’s more important that we build Rodney’s trade value.

Are we seriously comparing Zizic to Marc Gasol in here? I gotta go then lol. Gasol can hit a shot from anywhere, always has good ball control, and always in the right spot defensively. I think Zizic can be good but not that good.