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This is crazy, but I want Iverson.

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How does that make any sense? Moving your most efficient shooter to the bench for a ball stopper on the downside of his career?

It makes sense to me, You start the better player who was once an MVP and actually made the all-star game himself.
 
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It makes sense to me, You start the better player who was once an MVP and actually made the all-star game himself.

Goodness. Your problem is you are way overvaluing AI right now. He's not the player he was. Thinking he's as good as Mo right now is utter lunacy.
 
Goodness. Your problem is you are way overvaluing AI right now. He's not the player he was. Thinking he's as good as Mo right now is utter lunacy.

He is a better player than Mo Williams, as I said before gtaking everything into consideration.

Athleticism/Basketball IQ/Scoring ability/etc.
 
He is a better player than Mo Williams, as I said before gtaking everything into consideration.

Athleticism/Basketball IQ/Scoring ability/etc.

Mo Williams is more athletic, has a better scoring ability and is more efficient.

AI might be the better passer.
 
The only way i want AI is if he was willing to come off the bench and accept the BAE.
 
Mo Williams is more athletic, has a better scoring ability and is more efficient.

AI might be the better passer.

Ball-Handling- AI

Scoring ability- AI

Athleticism- AI

Efficiency- Mo

3 pt shooting ability- Mo

Finishing ability at the rim- AI

Passing- AI
 
He is a better player than Mo Williams, as I said before gtaking everything into consideration.

Athleticism/Basketball IQ/Scoring ability/etc.

Not currently. Mo is a better basketball player right now than AI. It isn't even all that close.
 
He is a better player than Mo Williams, as I said before gtaking everything into consideration.

Athleticism/Basketball IQ/Scoring ability/etc.

Right now, no he's not. Not on our team... In a 1 on 1 game, maybe. Within the confines of a playoff caliber teams offense, no.

He should go to the Knicks, I'm sure D'Antoni would let him throw up 25-30 shots per game. But that's just not in our gameplan.

The ONLY way he'd be able to come here is if he understood he'd be COMING OFF THE BENCH, PASSING FIRST, and TRYING TO MAKE OTHERS BETTER...

3 things by the way he hasn't done yet in his career...

He was a great player, still is a good player, but he thinks he's WAY better than he really is...

See Marbury, Sprewell, etc....
 
Ball-Handling- AI

Scoring ability- AI

Athleticism- AI

Efficiency- Mo

3 pt shooting ability- Mo

Finishing ability at the rim- AI

Passing- AI

Weighting athleticism and finishing at the rim as much as efficiency is pretty meaningless for these 2.
 
Weighting athleticism and finishing at the rim as much as efficiency is pretty meaningless for these 2.

I hate it when Mo gets inside and chucks up some horrible shot that doesn't even hit the rim, shots that AI would make.
 
I hate it when Mo gets inside and chucks up some horrible shot that doesn't even hit the rim, shots that AI would make.

Thats like saying you hate when Z handles the ball. It's such a small part of his game, compared to how he shoots and scores on the perimeter.

Also, Mo's floater is pretty good.
 
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This argument was about whether Mo was better than AI last year, which he clearly was, and it wasn't just because of LeBron.
Mo Williams was better last year than A.I, but Iverson also played less, Iverson also got switched to a new system that didn't fit him at all. Mo Williams was handed into a system that would embrace him, that would allow him to play his type of game along side LeBron James and that is why it worked so well. Iverson is a better play, still, than Mo Williams.. But just not in the Cavs' system.

The main reason why he doesn't fit here is because he won't come off the bench with a good attitude, as evidenced by him quitting on the Pistons last year.
Seriously.. You guys keep bringing this point up with Detroit again? Is this the only excuse you guys can find? How many times I must make a statement about the freaking Pistons year he played.

The whole team basically gave up, they were shocked to even make the freaking playoffs. Once they traded Billups it was all over for them, and Iverson couldn't have saved them if he tried. The team wasn't opening willing to accept him either.. So enough with him "quitting" Detroit, because it's obvious that team quit before Iverson hit the freaking floor.


How does that make any sense? Moving your most efficient shooter to the bench for a ball stopper on the downside of his career?
Manu comes off the bench for the Spurs, and Roger Mason or even Michael Finley starts ahead of him. Mo Williams wouldn't miss a beat if he came off the bench, so I don't see much of a problem with it to be honest. It only makes us a deeper team offensively with many more options. Iverson isn't on the total downside of his career... If you're basing that off his time in Detroit, you really need to open your eyes much, much more.

Why would you start a less efficient player?
Manu's efficient > Finley's.. Ask Greg Pop why he does that.. Hes only won a few titles..


AI is not better than Mo Williams.
In the Cavs' system.. I agree.. In overall talent, I disagree completely.

Edit To Add: Again I state, Iverson probably isn't likely to come here whatsoever, unless LeBron were to ask the management to make it happen. Hes not what we need, and doesn't completely fit our needs. However, he is a guy indeed searching for a championship ring, if you wanna believe it or not.. The main reason he is looking to sign with teams like Memphis, Chicago, or even Miami is because he want's to prove to contenders hes still good enough to compete at a high level. He probably wont sign any longer than two years on a team like Memphis, Chicago, etc. He'd add what we need in terms of having a legit third option offensively. Mo can probably fill that role, but having him as our fourth option offensively just makes this team crazy good offensively.

In the end though.. Arguing this is moot, because it wont happen.
 
In the Cavs' system.. I agree.. In overall talent, I disagree completely.

I disagree. AI is still a high volume shooter, and until he changes his ways, his talent is marginal anymore.

He was a great player when he was still able to get to the line, but his weakening body, followed by him losing some athleticism and he is just an inconsistent outside shooter.

Some people hear AI and think of the 2000 AI...but the gas tank is nearing empty. Once again, if you want someone to come in and give you offense, go with Flip Murray rather than AI. Murray is a better, more consistent shooter than AI and a better defender.
 

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