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This is crazy, but I want Iverson.

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I disagree. AI is still a high volume shooter, and until he changes his ways, his talent is marginal anymore.
Change his ways? Hes been that type of player his whole career, and I think it's worked out pretty well for him, in terms of being a great player. Iverson is much too old now to change his ways of scoring or anything offensively. Maybe a few tweaks, but hes not gonna change a whole lot.

He was a great player when he was still able to get to the line, but his weakening body, followed by him losing some athleticism and he is just an inconsistent outside shooter.
He still has the ability to get to the rim with quickness, and he has the ability to finish and get to the foul line. Don't base it off his year with Detroit, because nobody should even be discussion with what happened in Detroit, it meant nothing to Iverson's career in my opinion.

Sure hes lost a few steps, naturally it happens when you age. But hes still a good offensive scoring and can give any team some good numbers offensively. It just depends on what contender is going to take a risk, and I believe it'll be a risk to take in the end.. But that's just my opinion and we'll have to see what happens down the road.

Some people hear AI and think of the 2000 AI...but the gas tank is nearing empty. Once again, if you want someone to come in and give you offense, go with Flip Murray rather than AI. Murray is a better, more consistent shooter than AI and a better defender.
The gas tank is near empty.. I just don't buy that til I see him next year with whatever team and see the way he plays. I've erased the Detroit year out of my mind, because it really shouldn't be thought about. His last time in Denver he was still a good offensive scoring and had the ability to score like usual.. So I honestly would like to see him play before agreeing with a statement the gas tank is almost empty. And even if it's "almost" empty, that "almost" is all the Cavs or any contender would really need to make a difference..

Flip Murray is a better shooter, but he doesn't have all the offensive abilities Allen Iverson has... So, I'll pass on Flip..
 
You cannot just "throw out" last year. If AI still had the offense that many of you claim he did, then he would have been productive in Detroit.
 
If AI still has the offensive ability prior to Detroit why are the Grizzlees the only team possibly interested in him?
 
You cannot just "throw out" last year. If AI still had the offense that many of you claim he did, then he would have been productive in Detroit.
Detroit didn't embrace A.I whatsoever.. Didn't accept him, most of the guys around him didn't even want him there. Yet A.I was "suppose" to carry this team..

If the Cavs' roster doesn't trust, believe, and want LeBron James around.. I doubt he has as much success as he has now..

So I throw away last year, because it was just a waste of a season for Iverson considering Detroit really just wanted him for his contract.

If AI still has the offensive ability prior to Detroit why are the Grizzlees the only team possibly interested in him?

Actually, Memphis may not even be interested.. Chicago and Miami have expressed interest. Many teams aren't looking to take a risk on A.I because they are unsure on what he may bring, because like many fans, they are looking at that poor season last year with Detroit, sadly. A.I may also be searching for more than the MLE.
 
AI was an escape goat for Detroit who decided to say "fuck this season" for a salary dump so they could rebuilt this offseason going into 09-10. They never had plans for AI to stay there in the first place. The staff knew that, and the players knew that. He wasnt even embraced by the fans. If some of you bastards would actually read->comprehend->then post this thread could have been less than half of what it was. Stop using the Pistons as a catalyst. He was doing fine in Denver and in Philly. He has an attitude, but look at him on the USA team and all star games he can get along with players and shares the ball when he plays with them.

All being said less than 1% chance he comes here and I dont care if he does or not. Im just giving the facts. Some of you act like Iverson robbed you and threw you in the dumpster.
 
You cannot just "throw out" last year. If AI still had the offense that many of you claim he did, then he would have been productive in Detroit.


yeah, 18 points, 5 assists, and 3 rebounds in 36 minutes was not productive at all. 2nd on the team in scoring by less than a point, and tied for the lead in assists, just so you know. But yeah, that guy has no game at all. what was I thinking?
 
AI was an escape goat for Detroit

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yeah, 18 points, 5 assists, and 3 rebounds in 36 minutes was not productive at all. 2nd on the team in scoring by less than a point, and tied for the lead in assists, just so you know. But yeah, that guy has no game at all. what was I thinking?

And shot 40 %. You can look at one side of the story, I can look at the other.

People would say he would score, I would say that our offense would severely suffer if AI was brought in. As would our defense.

AI isn't suddenly going to become an efficient shooter, he's never been one and he never will be. He'll never be a good defender because of his size. He can still handle the ball and he may still have that quickness.

I just see no upside with AI here. I'd rather get a SG who can play defense and shoot *Anthony Parker* and bring Delonte off the bench in for about 35 minutes a game.
 
And shot 40 %. You can look at one side of the story, I can look at the other.
I don't consider Iverson's last year in Detroit of what he has left, but comparing his shooting numbers to some of the other top scorers in the NBA...

Allen Iverson shot 41 percent last season from the field. LeBron James shot 48 percent during his MVP season, Kobe Bryant shot 46 percent, Dwyane Wade shot better than everyone with 49 percent. Now that's comparing him to the players considered the top three in the game.. And let me remind you, before he was traded he shot 45 percent from the field with Denver.. A team that embraced him, a team that welcomed him, a team that wanted him not just for a contract.

Iverson is a career 42 percent shooter from the field.. Hes always been a guy in the low 40's in terms of shooting the basketball from the field, which is, IMO a surprised considering the number of shots this guy takes. Yet, people act like hes shooting in Larry Hughes land around 30 or so percent.. Give me a break.

People would say he would score, I would say that our offense would severely suffer if AI was brought in. As would our defense.
Our offense doesn't suffer, not with LeBron James running the show. If Iverson were to come here, something people seem to forget.. He'd already know hes not the main guy, he'd already know he may not even be the second option. He'd know he can't have a "All about me" type attitude. Our offense wouldn't suffer if you add a guy who can score you 20 or so a game on 40 percent shooting, the opponents defense will..

As would our defense.
So you're saying Mo Williams, Daniel Gibson, Sasha Pavlovic, Wally Szczerbiak, and Kinsey are all better defenders than Iverson? I will give you Sasha, Gibson has improved.. But you're acting like he just sits on the offensive end of the floor.

Though Iverson has aged, hes STILL averaged 1.5-1.6 SPG, compared to his 2.2 career average. Our defense wouldn't suffer as bad as you think.


AI isn't suddenly going to become an efficient shooter, he's never been one and he never will be. He'll never be a good defender because of his size. He can still handle the ball and he may still have that quickness.
The Cavs would already know they aren't getting a sharp shooter if they were to elect to sign Iverson.. They would get a guy who can score by attacking the rim and being able to hit open shots half the time. I never thought I'd witness the day Iverson would be left open for jump shots throughout a game, let alone a season.. He'd get many in Cleveland, would be interesting to see. But as far as efficient shooter.. He's never been a shooter, never will.. I think that's a moot point.

I just see no upside with AI here. I'd rather get a SG who can play defense and shoot *Anthony Parker* and bring Delonte off the bench in for about 35 minutes a game.
Got nothing against your opinion in not wanting A.I, it comes as no surprise... Nothing against Parker, but Iverson is a much better offensive option, a guy who would cause several double teams and freeing up LeBron James, Shaq, along with Mo Williams and Delonte West for better looks offensively.

I just find it funny people would welcome guys like Sheed and Artest, but once Iverson's name is tossed into the hat.. They freak the hell out. Understandable he doesn't fit a big need like Sheed and Artest would, but to make the statements about his attitude and all, and not mention the same about the other two notable guys is idiotic, IMO..
 
Iverson is a last resort option. If we can't get Dice or Parker for the MLE (which means Ferry should be fired if neither will come for MLE - that's more than Parker made last year on a shit team and it's a shit economy) then go for AI. tell him he runs the 2nd unit, and let him put up some points.

Problem is, he fills neither of our needs - tall wing or stretch PF - so he is a last resort.

But, AI or nothing? AI, please.
 
Iverson is a last resort option. If we can't get Dice or Parker for the MLE (which means Ferry should be fired if neither will come for MLE - that's more than Parker made last year on a shit team and it's a shit economy) then go for AI. tell him he runs the 2nd unit, and let him put up some points.

Problem is, he fills neither of our needs - tall wing or stretch PF - so he is a last resort.

But, AI or nothing? AI, please.

I was being sarcastic when I said AI or Bust

But I semi-agree. I think if we can get him for the BAE then we should do it anyways. BUT if he won't take the BAE and wants some of the MLE I would only give it to him if we have no other options left.
 
Signing AI would be the Isaiah Thomas way of doing things

"Oh, a name!!!! I have to have to have that player because that is a big name. I am going to ignore everything else like his stats, his age, his effect on the court, his effect off the court, his locker room presence, his attitude, his style of play, his actual worth, his reputation, how well he fits in with the current roster because damnit that name is recognizable!!!!"
 
It's ok, we can just bring Mo off the bench.

It doesn't matter than Williams is a better player than AI....if AI wants to start, he should.

He was an All-Star.
 

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