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Trade Deadline - Feb 8 at 3:00 EST

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@Mr. Orange- Why are you BLUE?

Oh it was a political statement when the dumpster fire of a political thread was still open. But it has been agreed that political grievances will not carry over to the main board as they shouldn’t. And the thread has been locked thankfully. I’ll change my avatar back to something sports related. I have gone through a few Orange themed names, beginning with Orange and Blue as a 80s Cavs throwback and it evolved from there.
 
We could have traded Kyrie for a superstar at any point in the last year, a year when at least four major superstars (Paul, Cousins, George, Butler) moved teams and more might have, but we never did. Now, unless some other team inexplicably rescues us from our hellish cap situation, the chance at those kind of players is gone.

I think Kyrie knew this, which is why he timed his trade request when he did.

He knew if he pulled this before those guys moved teams his ass would have been sent packing immediately (and we would have possibly been even better).
 
I don't think it's been brought up but the interesting part of IT's low contract number this year is he will only have a $11.9 million cap hold in the summer. That doesn't mean much for the Cavs because we are so over the cap but it could help his trade value. Another team could do some cap jungling and open up another max cap slot then resign IT to a max or near max deal. The clippers seem like a prime example of a team that could do this.
 
I liked an idea thrown out there by Andrew Han on Windy's podcast.

Cleveland trades Shump, Frye, and IT for Kemba Walker, Nick Batum and Marvin Williams.

Ditch IT for Kemba, add Batum's length and I'd take Williams over Jeff Green. At least he knows his role.

Seriously what has Green done? and why doesn't Lue run Calderon anymore?
 
I liked an idea thrown out there by Andrew Han on Windy's podcast.

Cleveland trades Shump, Frye, and IT for Kemba Walker, Nick Batum and Marvin Williams.

Ditch IT for Kemba, add Batum's length and I'd take Williams over Jeff Green. At least he knows his role.

Seriously what has Green done? and why doesn't Lue run Calderon anymore?

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If we can get Kemba/Batum AND DJ...too good to be true.

Kemba/Rose/Jose
Batum/Wade/Korver
LeBron
Love/Green
DJ
 
The Cavs can have all the interest in the world. But what teams in their right minds would take on TT and JR's bad contracts?
 
This is sadly correct, except I am much closer to believing it was a bad choice.

We could have traded Kyrie for a superstar at any point in the last year, a year when at least four major superstars (Paul, Cousins, George, Butler) moved teams and more might have, but we never did. Now, unless some other team inexplicably rescues us from our hellish cap situation, the chance at those kind of players is gone.

You're right. We took the wrong side of the deal.
However I think the issue back then was quite hard to handle for our front office. Our second best player pushing for a trade, his trade value going down.
Maybe he forced us to work only with a contender.
It's the only reason I don't put the whole blame on our front office.

Beverly/Williams + 1 first pick + fillers is quite a lot for CP3, but he's still the most underrated game changer in the Nba at 32 years old. We should have called.
Oladipo + Sabonis for PG another package we could have matched.
2 picks (if I remember well) + Evans + filler for Boogie an asking price to match ASAP.

Maybe we had Butler within reach - right now the most obvious choice -, but JR "Mr Hyde" transformation was almost impossible to predict.

Aside for him, the other 3 were filling our holes at 1,4 and 5.

Instead of working on our weak spots against GS (inside offense and energy, defence on Durant and Curry) we opened other holes.
We weakened our inside defence and strenght moving Love to the 5 spot (a position he clearly can't hold on D), we thinned our perimetral defence and cover against PGs trading for IT. We bet on Crowder as a 3D forward forgetting we had already Green, who's showing he can do the same things in a better way. We went for D-Wade and Rose together, players sharing the same weaknesses (inconsistent 3) and incapable of sharing the backcourt for the same reasons. We put together James, Love and IT, all volume shooters, when we learned from last year (and this year is adamant) that Love excels on the offensive end when he's the second scoring option.

Jrue Holiday. Thaddeus Young. Marc Gasol. Just to name a few. Were they all out of hand? I don't think so. A right combos of skilled players with versatility and defensive upside to pair with James and a second fiddle.
 
The Cavs can have all the interest in the world. But what teams in their right minds would take on TT and JR's bad contracts?
right ...no way they can unload those especially for teams looking to dump salary
 
If we can get Kemba/Batum AND DJ...too good to be true.

Kemba/Rose/Jose
Batum/Wade/Korver
LeBron
Love/Green
DJ

Getting Batum and DJ will hurt our flexibility long term alot. Batum contract is real long and expensive. DJ said he will opt out of his contract in the summer, means we will have the lock him in for 3+ years in the mid-20s each year. Rose, Wade, Green, and Calderon are all on mininium contracts. All but Calderon will want to get paid more, I'm not banking that our exceptions will be enough to keep any of them.
 
The Cavs can have all the interest in the world. But what teams in their right minds would take on TT and JR's bad contracts?

Tanking teams who want a pick or Cedi. That's the only way these moves are happening. It will require the BKN pick to get either Kemba or DJ.
 

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