Trade Discussions - Pistons/Wolves/Cavs

[elcheato]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

I love the talks but seriously... 4 & 8 to move up to 2? If D-Will can play the 3 and they are sure of it... fine I guess but otherwise it just adds to our log jam.

Also, if we really want to move up to two why couldn't we just use a 2nd rounder and maybe one of Miami's firsts? This just seems like a lot and D-Will could be there at 4 depending how people see Kanter.

And if we picked up 8, didn't trade it, took Kanter / Williams at 4 (I feel one of the two will be there at 4) and then add a SF (Singleton?) or SG (Burkes?) at 8. Take whatever we didn't take at 8 (SF/SG) in the second; that's an insane youth infusion. Not that I believe everyone will work out perfectly but it would make watching games so much more interesting seeing probably 4 new, young guys getting solid minutes.

Because there is no way the Timberwolves would take that..

This is a star driven league. Moving up to #2 and having the top two picks is a no brainer when we realistically wouldn't be giving up anything but money.

 

[elcheato]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

I'd be surprised if Det did this now. There's definitely going to be some sort of amnesty clause, similar to the one after the last strike.

If we did acquire the 8th, I think I'd prefer using the 1st and 4th then spinning off the 8th for someone's 2012. But, that's me...

Detroit has a couple of other contracts they probably would like to get off their payroll that are almost impossible to (Ben Gordon and Charlie Villenueva)

 

["Boobie" Gibson]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

Still don't understand why we prohibit dwill from becoming an ideal princeton pf just because we have hickson on the roster.

It has nothing to do with having Hickson on the roster. He has loads of athleticism and has great size (same height as #6 and 20 lbs lighter). Put on some more muscle and you've got yourself a beast at SF.

 

[pr26]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

A move like this may free up kahn to take an international big that he truly wants but would be crucified for taking at # 2. Kanter is obvious, but I could also see them think bismack would be a good fit next to love.

 

[Sergio]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

Some of you are bullshittin yourselfs, acting like this deal doesn't need to be made to really rebuild the Cavs franchise. This move has probably never been made before in NBA history, and if made, will set the Cavs apart as a team that isn't messing around. We would acquire the point guard with the most potential in the draft as well as the most dominant forward in college last season. Everyone says these two aren't franchise changing players, but when a team like the Cavs would acquire both of them in the draft at one and two, that IS franchise changing, and this franchise NEEDS a change in the another direction.

EDIT: My only suggestion would be acquiring veterans at those positions who play similar to both players so they have someone to learn from as soon as they get in the league.

 

[CPK]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

Because there is no way the Timberwolves would take that..

I also should have explicitly stated with our 4th; so our 4th a 2nd rounder and a Miami 1st to move up two spots.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

I can see Minnesota doing this because as everyone has said, they already have such a similar player in Beasley. If I were Minnesota, the possibility to nab Kanter and Leonard or Singleton and Burks, even draft Knight and trade him for another veteran. The point is that Minnesota would be better off with two players out of this draft rather than just Derrick Williams.

 

[CardiacCavs]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

If it goes down, i'm ok with it. I'm just as ok with 1 and 4 though as well. I would like to draft a center.

 

[JustWine]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

Sources: Cavs eye trade to add 2nd pick
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By Chris Broussard
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Already owners of the No. 1 pick in the draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers are trying to sweeten their position by securing the second pick as well, according to league sources.

The Cavaliers are in discussions with the Minnesota Timberwolves and Detroit Pistons about a three-team trade that would give Cleveland the top two picks of next month's NBA draft.

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The Cavaliers would use the picks to select Duke point guard Kyrie Irving and Arizona forward Derrick Williams, the sources said.

In the trade being discussed, Cleveland would absorb Detroit's Rip Hamilton into the $14.6 million trade exception it received in last summer's LeBron James sign-and-trade with Miami, while also receiving the Pistons' No. 8 pick. The Cavaliers would then send that pick, along with their fourth pick, to Minnesota for the Timberwolves' second pick.

Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the two years, $25 million remaining on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.

Cleveland nearly traded for Hamilton at the February trade deadline with the intention of buying him out. In that scenario, Hamilton would have signed with Chicago after the buyout. The motivation for Detroit, which has been looking to move Hamilton for years, is mainly financial.

Whether the trade comes to fruition or not, the Cavaliers are all but certain to use the No. 1 pick on Irving, a favorite of the team's front office. The club's owner, Dan Gilbert, is a huge fan of Williams and sees him and Irving as building blocks for the future.

While one of the Cavaliers' greatest needs is at small forward, Williams, though viewed as a 'tweener, is seen by most league executives as a power forward. If the Cavs draft Williams and determine that he can't play small forward, they may deal power forward J.J. Hickson, who has good value on the trade market.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6603100

 

[elcheato]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

I also should have explicitly stated with our 4th; so our 4th a 2nd rounder and a Miami 1st to move up two spots.

And that's why I said their is no way the Wolves take that.. A 2nd round pick and a late first down the line? No way. If they were willing to do that, the trade would already be made.

 

[CPK]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

And that's why I said their is no way the Wolves take that.. A 2nd round pick and a late first down the line? No way. If they were willing to do that, the trade would already be made.

Fair enough.

 

[bigjmac0815]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

Sources: Cavs eye trade to add 2nd pick
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By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine
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Already owners of the No. 1 pick in the draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers are trying to sweeten their position by securing the second pick as well, according to league sources.

The Cavaliers are in discussions with the Minnesota Timberwolves and Detroit Pistons about a three-team trade that would give Cleveland the top two picks of next month's NBA draft.

Ford: Mock Draft 2.0

With the NBA lottery done and the draft order settled, ESPN NBA Insider Chad Ford takes a second look at which prospect will land with which team. Mock 2.0

•*Insider : Top prospects | Draft blog

The Cavaliers would use the picks to select Duke point guard Kyrie Irving and Arizona forward Derrick Williams, the sources said.

In the trade being discussed, Cleveland would absorb Detroit's Rip Hamilton into the $14.6 million trade exception it received in last summer's LeBron James sign-and-trade with Miami, while also receiving the Pistons' No. 8 pick. The Cavaliers would then send that pick, along with their fourth pick, to Minnesota for the Timberwolves' second pick.

Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the two years, $25 million remaining on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.

Cleveland nearly traded for Hamilton at the February trade deadline with the intention of buying him out. In that scenario, Hamilton would have signed with Chicago after the buyout. The motivation for Detroit, which has been looking to move Hamilton for years, is mainly financial.

Whether the trade comes to fruition or not, the Cavaliers are all but certain to use the No. 1 pick on Irving, a favorite of the team's front office. The club's owner, Dan Gilbert, is a huge fan of Williams and sees him and Irving as building blocks for the future.

While one of the Cavaliers' greatest needs is at small forward, Williams, though viewed as a 'tweener, is seen by most league executives as a power forward. If the Cavs draft Williams and determine that he can't play small forward, they may deal power forward J.J. Hickson, who has good value on the trade market.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6603100

If we offer Hickson to Minnesota, do you think we could keep #8?

 

[KI4MVP]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

why Detroit might do it
- Rip has 2 years left on his contract
- their payroll is already down to $48 million for next year, they may view clearing another $12.6 million in payroll for free agency as more valuable than the #8 pick.
- the last time there was an amnesty clause, it just helped a team avoid luxury tax, it didn't help them clear any cap space. Even if it's done differently this time around, they could use the amnesty clause on their overpaid Ben Gordon.

Also, I don't see us having to send anything more than the trade exception. We're basically spending $25 million for the #8 pick. How could they ask for more than that? And remember, they already agreed to the trade once, Rip Hamilton was the hold up. Perhaps he changed his mind, or perhaps we no longer care if he wants to come here or not. I'm fairly certain he doesn't have a not trade clause.

 

[Ayatolla of Slamola]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

I am not sure what would be better for this franchise. Irving and Williams or Irving, Kanter/Jonas V and Leonard/Burks? Unless Grant has something up his sleeve to move 1 or more of the following, Jamison, AV or JJ, I think I would rather keep 3 of the top 8 picks.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Re: Chris Broussard Reporting

At least this is more realistic than trying to get Rudy Gay for the 4th pick. But Broussard is wrong more often than Ric Bucher. No chance of happening.