Trade in the works?

[AMC]

Brewer is great defensively, but shot 23% from 3.

 

[Mdog1]

Mo, Delonte, Jamison for Kaman, Davis, 8th pick seems most likely to me. If its a deal for Kaman were talking about.

That isn't even that bad of a deal tbh. Kaman is 28 and he is an all star, Baron is 30 and he is a good player and he can play decent defense. And that number eight could be a superstar PF/C possibly, or it could even be a 2 guard that we are lacking. Hell the number 8 pick could even be trade bait for Toronto or Atlanta to get us Bosh/johnson. Moon/Parker/JJ/Telfair/Wally (to make up difference)/number 8 would be enough incentive for the team to trade Bosh/Johnson to us. If it was for Bosh Toronto could then take their own pick and the number 8 and try to trade up.

 

[Mazer]

Mo, Delonte, Jamison for Kaman, Davis, 8th pick seems most likely to me. If its a deal for Kaman were talking about.

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. Then try to turn around the 8th and other assets into an established young player rather than keep it. I don't think LA does it, though. Antawn and Griffin are good front-court players but I don't think either is a C.


By the way, you should update your status in your profile. I remember those days of optimism and now they are just depressing. LOL

 

[cvnpoka]

Okay, but his ACTUAL FG percentage was 45? TS percentages do not matter at all if he shoots 45% from the floor, and is a 49% shooter lifetime.. That doesnt even make sense.

actual fg percentage is useless. ts is better. efg is better. hell, points per shot is better.

 

[Triumph36]

Mo, Delonte, Jamison for Kaman, Davis, 8th pick seems most likely to me. If its a deal for Kaman were talking about.

I'd look at deals with Sacramento first to be honest. They obviously have a better pick and I think dealing with them would preserve flexibility for other off-season deals.

But if the Sacramento talks don't amount to anything, then yeah I'd take this and then flip the pick for a 2.

If that could happen, i'd be fine with it and then 8th pick we draft Patrick Patterson to back up Andy at the 4

No.

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. Then try to turn around the 8th and other assets into an established young player rather than keep it. I don't think LA does it, though. Antawn and Griffin are good front-court players but I don't think either is a C.


By the way, you should update your status in your profile. I remember those days of optimism and now they are just depressing. LOL

If they trade Kaman I think they'll start Jordan, so that may not be an issue.

But yes, totally agree with flipping the pick. #8 is more valuable to other teams (cough Philly/Memphis cough) than it is to us. Same goes for a trade with the Kings for #5.

 

[MalTalm]

Let's take a look at what the Cavs have to offer other teams:

Assets:

Delonte West- 4.6 mil contract, which can be bought out Aug. 5th, and give any team nearly 5 mil off their cap. One of our 2 largest assets.

JJ Hickson - 1.5 mil contract w/ 1 year remaining, he's a young big man with a ton of promise, our other largest asset.

Danny Green and Leon Powe - Both have contracts under 1 mil, and Leon has proven himself useful as a defensive role player. Danny Green is a young prospect who may eventually be a great 6th man.

Varejao - carries a contract a little heavier than a midlevel exception, but at his age and with his hustle, he's undeniably a good value to a team who intends to compete. Some teams in a rebuilding phase may be interested in him, but I imagine some teams would love him, and some wouldn't take him. He's sort of a wildcard.

Moon and Parker - both have 1 year remaining, neither would excite a team too much, but they would offer decent production at a fairly low price. I'd assume they'd more or less be used to make salaries match / adjust roster depth than anything else.

Guys who would not bring back equal value:

Jamison - He's getting older, his contract is too high and runs for too long. I could see a team taking him in a deal, but I doubt we'd be getting fair value for what he could still provide us this season.

Mo Williams - There's a lot of hate on these boards for this guy, and his post season disappearing act is the obvious source of that, and he's certainly not worth the contract he's being paid. I expect he gets traded, and we may see some addition by subtraction here, if Gibson is ready to step into a larger role with this team. However, I doubt too many NBA teams are tripping over themselves to add this guy to their roster, despite the respectable numbers he puts up during the regular season.


I don't see how the Cavs could possibly pull 2 blockbuster moves with this roster, but we do have enough movable pieces to be creative in a 3 way trade. I'm really curious what Grant's plan is this summer, hopefully we find out soon.

 

[Radar]

Dont forget kid congo and possibly kaun as assets

I would really be surprised that the clippers are willing to trade kaman...They was hesitant with him and camby before the trade deadline...We can only dream for now


But what pgs you think can replace mo??



I would say: Monte,felton,kirk,conley or earl watson...Thoughts?

 

[AMC]

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. Then try to turn around the 8th and other assets into an established young player rather than keep it. I don't think LA does it, though. Antawn and Griffin are good front-court players but I don't think either is a C.


By the way, you should update your status in your profile. I remember those days of optimism and now they are just depressing. LOL

Will do.

 

[The Voice]

It would be nice to get whoever it is in the off season and not make any deals before the trade deadline, so we keep the team chemistry where it's at. Of course baring catastrophe before the trade deadline.

 

[The Voice]

Camby was on the team and they traded him because they sucked and going no where. Kaman shot 49% as a post up center, that is awful. He is the one you need to be using your KG quote for.

You honestly believe LBJ wouldn't improve these numbers? Not to mention wiith Jamison spreading the floor at the 4. He didn't have this with the Clippers and if you honestly think Baron Davis is a good ball distributer you're mistaken. I feel that Kaman would be better then any C we could put in the starting position right now.

Maggette just didn't get numbers..he got numbers VERY efficiently. There is a difference in PPG the Monta Ellis style and the PPG with the efficiency that Maggette had. We traded Delonte and Parker for Maggette.

Delonte and Parker for Maggette, I'd do it. I thought we were giving up more then that. His scoring is great, can Maggette play defense?

Toronto is really not going to have that many options with Bosh. If he says I want to go to team X, they will need to see what team X can offer and either take it or let him walk as a free agent. #6 pick, and a few other young assets are better than letting him walk.

Cleveland isn't even on Bosh's list.

 

[Chris]

The list that apparently had several mystery teams.

The list that according to Bosh is totally bogus.

 

[The Voice]

Brewer is great defensively, but shot 23% from 3.

23% is God awful. Do not want...

 

[jcefaratti]

Or we could trade the pick and get someone who is actually proven, which would be a better idea.

He's just sooooooooooooooo inefficient but his scoring stats are going to inflate his trade value. People just look at his PPG and think he's some offensive juggernaut without looking beyond the basic PPG number.

When you look beyond it you see he took 22 FGA per game and had a PER of 16.7. I know PER isn't the be all and end all, but given that it is an offense-centric stat, a player known for his offense, like Monta, should not have such an awfully low PER.

If he had other strengths, like being a lock-down defender or excellent distributor...maybe you can overlook his empty stats. I mean, I guess I'd be open to the idea....but we better explore just about every other option first.

All I was doing was based on draft-eligable guys. Was not indicating that I would not try to get a proven top player (Rudy Gay/Joe Johnson/Bosh,etc). I would obviously try that first but then I would try to secure our future front-court if a proven player was not available.

 

[jcefaratti]

^Unless you're s&t'ing Lebron to those teams,those trades are garbage.


The Clippers have no bad contracts outside of Baron Davis.(This means KAMAN IS WORTH HIS CONTRACT,therefore not getting dumpedfor expirings)

The Warriors only semi-bad contract is Maggette,who'd they deal for expirings but aren't giving up their lotto pick to dump him.Ellis is 25/5/5/4(turnovers).They're not trading him away for crap,they already turned down bigger deals than we can fathom to offer for the guy.

The Kings' bad contracts are Noci and Udrih,they have a clog at the 4 spot and everything indicates that drafting BPA they would be drafting a PF,who they already have 2 quality players.The Kings,imho,are our most likely trade partners if anything goes down,because we would take on contracts/Mo is a good fit with Tyreke.

I was just basing off other trade talk in this thread.

Kings will take Cousins most likely to pair with Landry/Thompson at the 4. Hawes is not that good, atleast according to Kings' fans. They want him coming off the bench with Thompson/Landry.

 

[onyoursix7]

I almost wonder if Gilbert is going for John Wall. We've apparently been connected to the Kings and the Warriors most recently, so here goes my PIPE DREAM at a trade.

Trade 1:
Cavs give: Mo Williams
Kings give: Nocioni, #5

The kings probably won't be interested in anyone at 5 because they're projected to all be PF's, where they already have a logjam. In this scenario, they get rid of a bad contract and get a point guard to play off of Tyreke. If the Wizards gave up #5 last year to get some lackluster perimeter players and dump some contracts, this seems totally reasonable.

Trade 2:
Cavs give: Delonte, Parker
Warriors give: Maggette (this could really be anyone with a bad contract that they want to dump), #6
The Warriors are changing ownership, and cutting payroll drastically is generally a first step in that process. Maggette probably will not get a lot of attention from other teams, so giving him to the cavs and saving a lot of money instantly is a good move for them. The logic for giving up the pick is essentially the same as before, they're dumping a bad contract.

Trade 3:
Cavs give: #5, #6, Moon
Wizards give: #1, Javale McGee
^^^^^^^^
I really have no idea on value here because the NBA doesn't have a handy draft pick value chart like the NFL does. McGee is essentially a throw in to help solidify our frontcourt, and if the Wiz have 5 and 6, chances are that's an area they're addressing anyway. They seem to get pretty good value while not doubling up on a position they already have covered with Arenas. Possible options for them here are Cousins, Wes Johnson, Monroe, etc. If they're dead set on getting a new point guard, Willie Warren and Eric Bledsoe both seem to be slipping, and might be available at #30 for them. This really jumpstarts their rebuilding, having 3 first round picks in the first year.

Projected Cavs lineup:

Wall/Boobie/Telfair
Maggette/Green
James/Nocioni
Jamison/Hickson
Varejao/McGee