Trade in the works?

[bigjmac0815]

I almost wonder if Gilbert is going for John Wall. We've apparently been connected to the Kings and the Warriors most recently, so here goes my PIPE DREAM at a trade.

Trade 1:
Cavs give: Mo Williams
Kings give: Nocioni, #5

The kings probably won't be interested in anyone at 5 because they're projected to all be PF's, where they already have a logjam. In this scenario, they get rid of a bad contract and get a point guard to play off of Tyreke. If the Wizards gave up #5 last year to get some lackluster perimeter players and dump some contracts, this seems totally reasonable.

Trade 2:
Cavs give: Delonte, Parker
Warriors give: Maggette (this could really be anyone with a bad contract that they want to dump), #6
The Warriors are changing ownership, and cutting payroll drastically is generally a first step in that process. Maggette probably will not get a lot of attention from other teams, so giving him to the cavs and saving a lot of money instantly is a good move for them. The logic for giving up the pick is essentially the same as before, they're dumping a bad contract.

Trade 3:
Cavs give: #5, #6, Moon
Wizards give: #1, Javale McGee
^^^^^^^^
I really have no idea on value here because the NBA doesn't have a handy draft pick value chart like the NFL does. McGee is essentially a throw in to help solidify our frontcourt, and if the Wiz have 5 and 6, chances are that's an area they're addressing anyway. They seem to get pretty good value while not doubling up on a position they already have covered with Arenas. Possible options for them here are Cousins, Wes Johnson, Monroe, etc. If they're dead set on getting a new point guard, Willie Warren and Eric Bledsoe both seem to be slipping, and might be available at #30 for them. This really jumpstarts their rebuilding, having 3 first round picks in the first year.

Projected Cavs lineup:

Wall/Boobie/Telfair
Maggette/Green
James/Nocioni
Jamison/Hickson
Varejao/McGee

That looks like something realistic that could actually happening

 

[gourimoko]

That looks like something realistic that could actually happening

Nobody's dumping a lottery pick to rid themselves of a bad contract; especially not Maggette who is at least serviceable. Even Philadelphia with Brand; they're not going to package him with the #2 pick - no fucking chance. More likely than not, they'd put him with Iguodala, if at all.

Getting into the draft is possible, but getting a high lottery pick by just taking back bad contracts probably isn't. And getting Wall is almost certainly out of the question.

 

[onyoursix7]

Nobody's dumping a lottery pick to rid themselves of a bad contract; especially not Maggette who is at least serviceable. Even Philadelphia with Brand; they're not going to package him with the #2 pick - no fucking chance. More likely than not, they'd put him with Iguodala, if at all.

Getting into the draft is possible, but getting a high lottery pick by just taking back bad contracts probably isn't. And getting Wall is almost certainly out of the question.

It isn't entirely without precedent. Mike Miller and Randy Foye on their own were obviously not worth lottery picks, but the Wizards gave the #5 last year for them if the Twolves took back some bad contracts. As I said, it's a pipe dream, but I also said that we could be taking back anyone who they want to get rid of. Perhaps Biedrins. He hasn't exactly lit it up over there an is under contract for $9 million for three or four more years. It's not entirely set in stone, but it could certainly happen given their current circumstances.

 

[Triumph36]

Even if we somehow managed to pull off trades for #5 and #6 Washington still wouldn't do that deal.

Honestly I could see deal #1 happening if it was tweaked a bit to include another meh contract from Sacramento (Udrih?) and expiring filler from us. But of course that'd only happen if the Kings were exceedingly high on Mo...

 

[Evancook]

Trade 3:
Cavs give: #5, #6, Moon
Wizards give: #1, Javale McGee

Wizards wouldn't touch this.
As of right now,John Wall is a legitimate franchise point guard,the guys @ 5 and 6 aren't going to flip that franchise upside down.
As far as guards go,John Wall is being compared to Wade/Rose/Westbrook.
They're not trading a guy like that for guys like Ed Davis and Aminu.

 

[Mdog1]

That is actually not a bad trade scenario. I would prefer (if we were going after Wall) to get back youth instead of Maggette.

 

[Mdog1]

Wizards wouldn't touch this.
As of right now,John Wall is a legitimate franchise point guard,the guys @ 5 and 6 aren't going to flip that franchise upside down.
As far as guards go,John Wall is being compared to Wade/Rose/Westbrook.
They're not trading a guy like that for guys like Ed Davis and Aminu.

I sort of agree, but we could take back a different player than Mcgee, or even players. Despite what you think about Wall he is not NBA proven and getting 2 top 6 picks is better than having the first pick. John Wall isn't a LeBron type of prospect, and this is a pretty good draft all the way through, especially with big men. If the Wizards could get two good young 12/8 bigs at the 5/6 spot that would be better than 1 15/6 guard.

 

[Evancook]

That is actually not a bad trade scenario. I would prefer (if we were going after Wall) to get back youth instead of Maggette.

Its not bad for us
I know you know this,not pointing it at you,
but some of these trade scenarios are terribly one sided and don't make a whole lot of sense for the trade partner.
John Wall is NOT going to be traded.
Theres been so much despair over the last few years with the Wizards,for them to get somebody like Wall has totally turned the lookout for them.
With all the hype around this guy,that trade is just terribly unrealistic for them to even consider.While the guys available then would no doubt be contributors;They don't even have 1/10th of the star power that Wall offers.

You need a guy to rebuild around,to give the city hope for that franchise.Walls that guy

Edit:In my opinion having the 1st overall is TEN times better than having the 5th and 6th.This is a 3 man draft with Favors being at a distant third.
The PFs are quality but nothing near Wall& what he could be.

 

[jcefaratti]

Agreed. No way Washington trades the #1 for picks 5 and 6. I doubt they even trade the pick at all (unless a really ridiculous deal comes along). However, I would gladly take Cousins/Monroe at 5/6. Not sure who else would be available at that spot that would help us as we need front-court depth big time.

The above only takes place if we cannot somehow trade 5/6 in a package to get a stud-2nd guy type player. All in all, I highly doubt we get 5 or 6, let alone both.

 

[B Mac]

Agreed. No way Washington trades the #1 for picks 5 and 6. I doubt they even trade the pick at all (unless a really ridiculous deal comes along). However, I would gladly take Cousins/Monroe at 5/6. Not sure who else would be available at that spot that would help us as we need front-court depth big time.

The above only takes place if we cannot somehow trade 5/6 in a package to get a stud-2nd guy type player. All in all, I highly doubt we get 5 or 6, let alone both.

We could trade the 5th and 6th and someone off our bench and get pretty much anyone we wanted who isnt a clear cut superstar. The problem is we could never get the 5th and 6th pick.

 

[Mdog1]

Its not bad for us
I know you know this,not pointing it at you,
but some of these trade scenarios are terribly one sided and don't make a whole lot of sense for the trade partner.
John Wall is NOT going to be traded.
Theres been so much despair over the last few years with the Wizards,for them to get somebody like Wall has totally turned the lookout for them.
With all the hype around this guy,that trade is just terribly unrealistic for them to even consider.While the guys available then would no doubt be contributors;They don't even have 1/10th of the star power that Wall offers.

You need a guy to rebuild around,to give the city hope for that franchise.Walls that guy

Edit:In my opinion having the 1st overall is TEN times better than having the 5th and 6th.This is a 3 man draft with Favors being at a distant third.
The PFs are quality but nothing near Wall& what he could be.

I disagree that the number one is better than two top 6 picks. The number one pick rarely ever turns out to be the player that they were drafted to be.

For example in the last 9 drafts (since 2000) the number one pick has been worse than or equal to another top 10 pick. In 2001 (Brown 1st overall, Pau 3rd, JRich 5th, Johnson 10th), 2002 (Ming 1st overall, Amare 9th overall), 2005 (Bogut 1st overall, Willaims 3rd, Paul 4th), 2006 (Bargs 1st overall, Aldridge 2nd, Brandon Roy 6th, Rudy Gay 8th), 2007 (Oden 1st overall, Durant 2nd, Horford 3rd, Green 5th, Noah 9th), 2009 (Griffen 1st overall, Evans 4th, Curry 7th, Jennings 10th).

Brown, Oden are huge busts. In the last nine drafts there have been three busts (Brown, Oden, Griffen) and two injury proned big men (Bogut, Ming) that are not as good as players taken after them.

Most are most likely not ready to call Griffen a bust yet, but I am. Looking at the msot recent big man that missed his first year due to injury (Oden) I think Griffen will have a similar career. Getting the number one pick is no guarantee of getting the best player in the draft is what I am getting at. If you can get two top 6 picks to help build your team around then I think it would be worth the risk if you are in the same position as Washington. Sure Wall has a ton of hype surrounding him, but for every player that reaches the level that he was hyped up to be there are ten that don't. I mean just look at our very own Bassy, he was labelled as as good of a player as LeBron, now he has to accept a 2.7 million player option because he is not worth that much.

Basically to me I see the 5th pick having just as good of a chance of becoming a franchise conrner stone as the first pick. Even if the 5th and 6th pick were to be maxed out as 15/10 bigs than that would be better than any numbers Wall would put up.

Of course this is all very unlikely, we most likely will not get either pick let alone both, but it is fun to talk about .

 

[retreataccept]

You are frigging crazy if you are calling Griffin a bust after one year. Heck, I think its out of line to call Oden a bust. The guy was Top 10 in the nba in PER this year before getting hurt. And the thing with most of those drafts you list is that no one there thought that the guys going number one were guaranteed franchise players. Wall is considered to be such a player, and that's why he's way more valuable than the 5 and 6 picks in this draft.

Yes there are some drafts when 5 and 6 are better than 1 but not when the list of potential franchise players doesn't go past 3. This is one of those drafts.

 

[DuncanMcDougal]

Now the Cavs are getting John Wall????

Are you kidding me?

Talk about unrealistic.

The Wizards aren't trading the #1 pick for #5 & #6 - they would be the laughingstock of the NBA. Somehow you also think they are going to just throw in Javale McGee too? Teams don't just give away 22 year old 7-foot shot blockers with upside. And they don't dump the #1 pick who may be a slam dunk star for picks 5 and 6.

At least some of this other talk is realistic, even the talk of Bosh or CP3 has a slim chance of going down. A deal like that with the Wizards has no chance of happening.

 

[DuncanMcDougal]

I disagree that the number one is better than two top 6 picks. The number one pick rarely ever turns out to be the player that they were drafted to be.

For example in the last 9 drafts (since 2000) the number one pick has been worse than or equal to another top 10 pick. In 2001 (Brown 1st overall, Pau 3rd, JRich 5th, Johnson 10th), 2002 (Ming 1st overall, Amare 9th overall), 2005 (Bogut 1st overall, Willaims 3rd, Paul 4th), 2006 (Bargs 1st overall, Aldridge 2nd, Brandon Roy 6th, Rudy Gay 8th), 2007 (Oden 1st overall, Durant 2nd, Horford 3rd, Green 5th, Noah 9th), 2009 (Griffen 1st overall, Evans 4th, Curry 7th, Jennings 10th).

Brown, Oden are huge busts. In the last nine drafts there have been three busts (Brown, Oden, Griffen) and two injury proned big men (Bogut, Ming) that are not as good as players taken after them.

Most are most likely not ready to call Griffen a bust yet, but I am. Looking at the msot recent big man that missed his first year due to injury (Oden) I think Griffen will have a similar career. Getting the number one pick is no guarantee of getting the best player in the draft is what I am getting at. If you can get two top 6 picks to help build your team around then I think it would be worth the risk if you are in the same position as Washington. Sure Wall has a ton of hype surrounding him, but for every player that reaches the level that he was hyped up to be there are ten that don't. I mean just look at our very own Bassy, he was labelled as as good of a player as LeBron, now he has to accept a 2.7 million player option because he is not worth that much.

Basically to me I see the 5th pick having just as good of a chance of becoming a franchise conrner stone as the first pick. Even if the 5th and 6th pick were to be maxed out as 15/10 bigs than that would be better than any numbers Wall would put up.

Of course this is all very unlikely, we most likely will not get either pick let alone both, but it is fun to talk about .

Could make the same, if not more arguments the other way.

The years LeBron, Howard, Duncan, Iverson, Shaq, & David Robinson went, you wouldn't give up that pick for 5 & 6. This is one of those years with Wall at the top and then Turner at two, although Turner is not a slam dunk, and then everyone else. Sure a few of those players will wind up being very good, but it's harder to predict which ones. It's different with Wall, as most agree that barring injury he's a star.

Oden and Griffin are also bad examples because of the injury factor and limited amount of time. Plus Oden was almost a coin flip with Durant, so would you deal Durant for #'s 5 & 6?

 

[Keith]

Put it this way, if you had an opportunity to get John Wall why would you give him away?