Trade in the works?

[Cavs_Dynasty]

Unrelated to the Warriors or Clippers

but

Mo for Miller/Rudy from the Blazers or a combo like West/Mo for Miller/Bayless/Webster...could potentially happen, Nate wants a great shooter at PG and mo is this, in the regular season.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

Okay, but his ACTUAL FG percentage was 45? TS percentages do not matter at all if he shoots 45% from the floor, and is a 49% shooter lifetime.. That doesnt even make sense.

Quit looking at PPG and FG %.

Eillis is one of the worst players in the league when it comes to helping his team actually win a game.

Look again at the picture---the Warriors were a winning team when he DID NOT PLAY. When he did they were an AWFUL team.

 

[cvnpoka]

I disagree that the number one is better than two top 6 picks. The number one pick rarely ever turns out to be the player that they were drafted to be.

For example in the last 9 drafts (since 2000) the number one pick has been worse than or equal to another top 10 pick. In 2001 (Brown 1st overall, Pau 3rd, JRich 5th, Johnson 10th), 2002 (Ming 1st overall, Amare 9th overall), 2005 (Bogut 1st overall, Willaims 3rd, Paul 4th), 2006 (Bargs 1st overall, Aldridge 2nd, Brandon Roy 6th, Rudy Gay 8th), 2007 (Oden 1st overall, Durant 2nd, Horford 3rd, Green 5th, Noah 9th), 2009 (Griffen 1st overall, Evans 4th, Curry 7th, Jennings 10th).

Brown, Oden are huge busts. In the last nine drafts there have been three busts (Brown, Oden, Griffen) and two injury proned big men (Bogut, Ming) that are not as good as players taken after them.

Most are most likely not ready to call Griffen a bust yet, but I am. Looking at the msot recent big man that missed his first year due to injury (Oden) I think Griffen will have a similar career. Getting the number one pick is no guarantee of getting the best player in the draft is what I am getting at. If you can get two top 6 picks to help build your team around then I think it would be worth the risk if you are in the same position as Washington. Sure Wall has a ton of hype surrounding him, but for every player that reaches the level that he was hyped up to be there are ten that don't. I mean just look at our very own Bassy, he was labelled as as good of a player as LeBron, now he has to accept a 2.7 million player option because he is not worth that much.

Basically to me I see the 5th pick having just as good of a chance of becoming a franchise conrner stone as the first pick. Even if the 5th and 6th pick were to be maxed out as 15/10 bigs than that would be better than any numbers Wall would put up.

Of course this is all very unlikely, we most likely will not get either pick let alone both, but it is fun to talk about .

oden and griffin are not even close to busts. if there was a redraft today, griffin would still go 1.

oden has a 19.5 per thru his first 80 games. ya, his minutes have been limited due to fouls and his games have been limited due to injuries, but those are huge numbers for rookie and they dont even take into account his main strength, which is post defense. which is one of the most important aspects of winning basketball games.

also, ming has had a better career than amare.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

You honestly believe LBJ wouldn't improve these numbers? Not to mention wiith Jamison spreading the floor at the 4. He didn't have this with the Clippers and if you honestly think Baron Davis is a good ball distributer you're mistaken. I feel that Kaman would be better then any C we could put in the starting position right now.

I think Baron Davis is on overrated player all the way around. However I do not think LBJ would make Kaman better. I think Lebron HATES having to throw the ball into the post hoping his big man makes more than 50% of his shots. I mean when Lebron tosses Kaman the ball with 2 seconds on the shot clock, whats he going to do with it?

Last year at the deadline, I thought, man Kaman would be a good big to go after..then I looked at his numbers and efficiency and I was surprised by how poor they were. IF he didn't cost us much and we didn't have to take Baron back also, then sure I would take him.

Cleveland isn't even on Bosh's list.

I don't think there is a real list..and even so, if Lebron is staying here, then we have a good shot at Bosh in my opinion.

 

[lbusiness]

This is how its got to be in my opinion..
Sure Baron Davis is old ,he is the same age as Kobe ,and younger than all of the big three,and Fish,plus he is a terror in the playoffs,and his first coach in the league was also,Paul Silas,like LeBron.

Baron is clutch,and point blank he can put the ball in the basket and will not defer to LBJ.He is an all-star,and he is injurie prone,but i'll take him and Kaman any day,over what we have @ their positions ,on our team.

PS.. be sure to watch the block Kaveman puts on KG!





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Cavs roster 2010/11

pg-b.davis/s.telfair/d.gibson
sg-c.eyenga/a.parker/d.green
sf-l.james/j.moon/j.williams
pf-j.hickson/l.powe/d.jackson, why not,he's a good guy!
c-c.kaman/a.verajao/rookie


Its a wrap..alll we have to do is run Izzo's system and we can win a championship,these guys should be blood thirsty to winn, yeah ??? kid congo @ the 2 guard ,but he is a superior

athlete,eyegnga is a raw NBA talent like Hickson,CGis the guy who did the press conference @the draft on him,he is Grants pic k trust me,if we cant land a big FA @the SG spot he will start,take his lumps and play this year.

You guys ,saw what i saw in summer league and the ups he displayed on the draft film,watch, Chris Grant is not on the wait and see ish,he is going to ship guys over here like PoP does in SA.

This team would be unstopable @3 positions,alll the stars can score on there own, and finish with either hand,the bench is deep,and guys roles are defined,the younger guys are still developing and waiting next in line,also.

 

[kevinoc0]

Its a wrap..alll we have to do is run Izzo's system and we can win a championship,these guys should be blood thirsty to winn, yeah ??? kid congo @ the 2 guard ,but he is a superior

athlete,eyegnga is a raw NBA talent like Hickson,CGis the guy who did the press conference @the draft on him,he is Grants pic k trust me,if we cant land a big FA @the SG spot he will start,take his lumps and play this year.

You guys ,saw what i saw in summer league and the ups he displayed on the draft film,watch, Chris Grant is not on the wait and see ish,he is going to ship guys over here like PoP does in SA.

it,already sounds,like eyenga isn't coming,next

year,anyways.

And Baron can't "put the ball in the basket" if he's behind the three-point line. This has already been addressed ad nauseum, so I start another debate about it.

 

[mixman]

oden and griffin are not even close to busts. if there was a redraft today, griffin would still go 1.

oden has a 19.5 per thru his first 80 games. ya, his minutes have been limited due to fouls and his games have been limited due to injuries, but those are huge numbers for rookie and they dont even take into account his main strength, which is post defense. which is one of the most important aspects of winning basketball games.

also, ming has had a better career than amare.

Doesn't really make sense. Yeah, he's had a great per thru 80 games. The only person who gives a shit is you and John Hollinger. Like you said, he lives in foul trouble, and he's missed close to 150 games in 3 years. While the fact that he's a bust might not be carved in stone, the stonemason has been hired and he's sharpening his chisel.

Nobody will ever look back in history and say that Port. made the right call by taking Oden over Durant, I don't care if Oden comes back healthy, makes 10 all-star teams, all while playing 35+MPG for 80 games a year. That debate has already been settled.

 

[cvnpoka]

lol i would bet eyenga never starts and nba game ever.

 

[bigjmac0815]

lol i would bet eyenga never starts and nba game ever.

He wont start an NBA game but he'll play

 

[cvnpoka]

Doesn't really make sense. Yeah, he's had a great per thru 80 games. The only person who gives a shit is you and John Hollinger. Like you said, he lives in foul trouble, and he's missed close to 150 games in 3 years. While the fact that he's a bust might not be carved in stone, the stonemason has been hired and he's sharpening his chisel.

Nobody will ever look back in history and say that Port. made the right call by taking Oden over Durant, I don't care if Oden comes back healthy, makes 10 all-star teams, all while playing 35+MPG for 80 games a year. That debate has already been settled.

per was just a dirty way to show that he has been excellent when hes been on the court. i coulda said he has 12reb/36 and .613 ts.and 15pts/36. its very rare for big men to have such great numbers right off the bat.

foul rates tend to go down as a player gets experience. look at mutombo, varejao, kendrick perkins, joakim noah.

he does not have to outperform durant to escape being a bust. that is ludicrous. thats not even the argument anyway. the argument is that its dumb to call a player a bust after 2 yrs in the league, esp when hes been fantastic when hes played.

 

[Tizzle]

Two things to note about those Davis & Kaman videos:

- Baron Davis is great at driving the lane and scoring the ball. Although that video is from 3 years ago, I wonder if Baron still plays like that.

- Chris Kaman brutally embarrassed Cedric Simmons in that video.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

This is how its got to be in my opinion..
Sure Baron Davis is old ,he is the same age as Kobe ,and younger than all of the big three,and Fish,plus he is a terror in the playoffs,and his first coach in the league was also,Paul Silas,like LeBron.

Baron is clutch,and point blank he can put the ball in the basket and will not defer to LBJ.He is an all-star,and he is injurie prone,but i'll take him and Kaman any day,over what we have @ their positions ,on our team.

PS.. be sure to watch the block Kaveman puts on KG!




Cavs roster 2010/11

pg-b.davis/s.telfair/d.gibson
sg-c.eyenga/a.parker/d.green
sf-l.james/j.moon/j.williams
pf-j.hickson/l.powe/d.jackson, why not,he's a good guy!
c-c.kaman/a.verajao/rookie


Its a wrap..alll we have to do is run Izzo's system and we can win a championship,these guys should be blood thirsty to winn, yeah ??? kid congo @ the 2 guard ,but he is a superior

athlete,eyegnga is a raw NBA talent like Hickson,CGis the guy who did the press conference @the draft on him,he is Grants pic k trust me,if we cant land a big FA @the SG spot he will start,take his lumps and play this year.

You guys ,saw what i saw in summer league and the ups he displayed on the draft film,watch, Chris Grant is not on the wait and see ish,he is going to ship guys over here like PoP does in SA.

This team would be unstopable @3 positions,alll the stars can score on there own, and finish with either hand,the bench is deep,and guys roles are defined,the younger guys are still developing and waiting next in line,also.

I would post a video of all of Baron Davis's clanked jumpers, but it would take WAY WAY WAY too long.
He is so clutch he hasn't been in the playoffs in 3 years.

If I made a video of Andy's highlights, it would look impressive also. Every player in the league makes enough shots to put a highlight video together. Doesn't make them a good all around player.

Your lineup has zero good three point shooters..then you bury the best one 3rd on the depth chart.

THANK GOD you are not a GM and coach.

 

[MikeSwim07]

I would MUCH rather have Baron Davis or Chris Kaman before Monta Ellis.

 

[Mazer]

I would MUCH rather have Baron Davis or Chris Kaman before Monta Ellis.

I'd take Ellis - assuming the Grizzlies were still willing to trade Mayo / Thabeet for Ellis.

 

[Triumph36]

I'd take Ellis - assuming the Grizzlies were still willing to trade Mayo / Thabeet for Ellis.

If the Grizzlies were willing to do that Golden State would just trade him directly to Memphis. Still don't think Memphis would do that though...doesn't make sense.

But that trade could make Gay want out. I'm guessing playing with a ballhog chucker would not be very appealing.