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Trading Kyrie Irving?
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davedugan43
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Re: Trading Kyrie Irving
I seriously hate almost every thread in Cavs talk right now. So many knee-jerk reactions and speculation. It's like most of you have never seen a poor start before. Kyrie is not going to get traded. If he is, that's because Grant fears he'll depart next year (or 2015) and we'll be worse than ever. We have almost NO veterans on this team that are core contributers. Bynum is doing alright, but he's no longer a huge difference maker. Varejao is playing as well as ever, but he's not a threat to put up 18-20 pts nightly. Jack is okay, but a little underwhelming this year.
If we are picking in the high lottery (1-6), that means they gave up on Brown and his system. There's too much talent on this roster to have fewer than 25 wins. If they do, it's an absolute failure.
But advocating trades for Kyrie, trades for Dion, sending Bennett to the D-League and then cutting him after the season, are ridiculous. In order to get better, you have to accumulate players, not blow up after three years of building and start over. I don't think you guys remember just how bad that '10 team was...This team would easily beat that team, probably by double digits.
*shudders*
I seriously hate almost every thread in Cavs talk right now. So many knee-jerk reactions and speculation. It's like most of you have never seen a poor start before. Kyrie is not going to get traded. If he is, that's because Grant fears he'll depart next year (or 2015) and we'll be worse than ever. We have almost NO veterans on this team that are core contributers. Bynum is doing alright, but he's no longer a huge difference maker. Varejao is playing as well as ever, but he's not a threat to put up 18-20 pts nightly. Jack is okay, but a little underwhelming this year.
If we are picking in the high lottery (1-6), that means they gave up on Brown and his system. There's too much talent on this roster to have fewer than 25 wins. If they do, it's an absolute failure.
But advocating trades for Kyrie, trades for Dion, sending Bennett to the D-League and then cutting him after the season, are ridiculous. In order to get better, you have to accumulate players, not blow up after three years of building and start over. I don't think you guys remember just how bad that '10 team was...This team would easily beat that team, probably by double digits.
*shudders*
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Re: Trading Kyrie Irving
Everyone dismisses it so easily. It's silly because it won't ever happen.
But I said before the 2012 that I would trade Kyrie to New Orleans (after they had won the number 1 pick) to draft Anthony Davis. Who here wouldn't trade Kyrie for Davis straight up right now? I know some wouldn't. Maybe a majority. But I'm positive there would be quite a few who would.
If this season heads really south and we win sub-30 games, and the team who lands the number 1 overall comes to us with that same offer (they won't), we should listen.
Everyone dismisses it so easily. It's silly because it won't ever happen.
But I said before the 2012 that I would trade Kyrie to New Orleans (after they had won the number 1 pick) to draft Anthony Davis. Who here wouldn't trade Kyrie for Davis straight up right now? I know some wouldn't. Maybe a majority. But I'm positive there would be quite a few who would.
If this season heads really south and we win sub-30 games, and the team who lands the number 1 overall comes to us with that same offer (they won't), we should listen.
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Re: Trading Kyrie Irving
If the cavs are in the high lottery again you can all but chock it up Irving is gone. You have to win to establish your brand. another top 5 selection is what i want, however, it gives us a very short 1 year window to prove to irving we can win. If it doesn't happen this year, hard to believe everything will be sunshine and roses next year with irving set to jump ship.
If the cavs are in the high lottery again you can all but chock it up Irving is gone. You have to win to establish your brand. another top 5 selection is what i want, however, it gives us a very short 1 year window to prove to irving we can win. If it doesn't happen this year, hard to believe everything will be sunshine and roses next year with irving set to jump ship.
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Re: Trading Kyrie Irving
Oasis, do yourself a favor and actually read the faq on the NBA CBA. Irving isn't going anywhere when his present contract ends. He becomes a RESTRICTED free agent. That means we have the right to match any offer. That also means he has to play here unless he wants to actually not play basketball for an entire season. Something that is not going to happen.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm
Oasis, do yourself a favor and actually read the faq on the NBA CBA. Irving isn't going anywhere when his present contract ends. He becomes a RESTRICTED free agent. That means we have the right to match any offer. That also means he has to play here unless he wants to actually not play basketball for an entire season. Something that is not going to happen.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm
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Re: Trading Kyrie Irving
The Cavs do need to think about this, mostly due to their own inept management and play.
The team has been losing for 2+ years with its best player.
The player will be a free agent in the near future.
The player has supposedly told people he can't wait to leave town...in part likely due to the losing.
To make matters worse, the team hires a retread coach who has no interest in offense and gives him a long-term deal.
In addition, the team has no other marketable assets of any real value right now to trade to improve the team other than future draft picks.
Looking at the scenario, how can the Cavs not think about it. All that said, and based on Grant's track record, I am scared to trade Irving simply based on how bad Grant would be fleeced.
The Cavs do need to think about this, mostly due to their own inept management and play.
The team has been losing for 2+ years with its best player.
The player will be a free agent in the near future.
The player has supposedly told people he can't wait to leave town...in part likely due to the losing.
To make matters worse, the team hires a retread coach who has no interest in offense and gives him a long-term deal.
In addition, the team has no other marketable assets of any real value right now to trade to improve the team other than future draft picks.
Looking at the scenario, how can the Cavs not think about it. All that said, and based on Grant's track record, I am scared to trade Irving simply based on how bad Grant would be fleeced.
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Re: Trading Kyrie Irving
How far this board has fallen...
How far this board has fallen...
The Oi
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Re: Trading Kyrie Irving
What would you ask for that you think could be reasonably gotten?
What would you ask for that you think could be reasonably gotten?
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Re: Trading Kyrie Irving
It's not like we had a playoff-caliber roster around him. Unless you expected him to lead a team full of D-League scrubs into the playoffs.
Source?
Source?
gratefuldead
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Re: Kyrie Irving
trent richardson trade
im just saying....
think about it
trent richardson trade
im just saying....
think about it
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Re: Kyrie Irving
No but I would trade him to the Jazz right now for a 2014 unprotected first round pick... we would be sure two of the top six picks and maybe even two of the top four. Lets do this NBA2k style!
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