jvpertz
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Caron Butler is far from a "bust".
41 percent shooting says Caron is a bust.
Caron Butler is far from a "bust".
Also, the Wizards have zero leverage. They are the ones with the underperforming roster that is over the luxury tax with big long contracts and have specifically a guy in Butler who isnt even playing well. Why the hell would I give them anything but cap relief if Im dealing with them?
41 percent shooting says Caron is a bust.
If LeBron had signed a contract this past off-season, I'd agree with you. But he didn't, so improving this team is objective #1 (and no I don't care about what LeBron has "said" to Ferry or Gilbert, it's meaningless until his name is in ink). If we refuse to give up anything past expiring contracts (which multiple teams have), I have a feeling we'll be outbid for most of the players at the top of our want-list and we'll be stuck settling for a player that won't put us over the top.People have to realize that the Cavaliers are not in the business of mortgaging everything for one shot a ring. They want to contend for a long time and be in position to win multiple championships.
They are not giving up the only young player with considerable upside for a guy like Butler. Have people not been paying attention to how Ferry does things? Unless it is for a big time player like Bosh or Stoudemire the Cavaliers are not giving up Hickson for any 2nd tier Maurice Williams-like player especially one nearing 30 and is having a bad year.
The Cavaliers want to keep what they have and add to it which is why they were going to give the ghost of Wally Szczerbiak and the shell of what was Delonte West for Stephen Jackson. (btw, how is that Radmanovic thing working out, Warriors?) It is why they want Z back in a deal they put him in.
Also, the Wizards have zero leverage. They are the ones with the underperforming roster that is over the luxury tax with big long contracts and have specifically a guy in Butler who isnt even playing well. Why the hell would I give them anything but cap relief if Im dealing with them?
Jamison seems to be the only Wiz player without some sort of ridiculous arrogance/attitude/selfishness. Basically he seems to be about the only player on that team that isn't a douchebag. Butler seems to be a bit of a bitch, but meh.So I thought we all call the Wizards a bunch of women.......and now we want to trade for them?
Luckily Gilbert probably wouldn't have a problem with cutting him/buying him outThe only fear I have with trading with Washington, is that the only trade they would do would have to send Stevenson our way.
The whole point is that the Cavs aren't bargaining in a vacuum. Any player they offer for probably has at least two other suitors that the Cavs need to out-bid.
Either that, or the Cavs will make their lowball offer that the other team (Washington or whoever) won't bite on and Ferry won't budge and the other team will stand pat. That's what happened last trade deadline, right? Ferry basically offered Wally's expiring in the many trade rumors that were floating around at that time.
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That's a good point but the main difference between this year's deadline and last year's is how bad some teams are doing financially. The Pistons can not sell tickets. While the team is nowhere near as good that is a team that sold out games for years in a row. Ticket sales are hurting in a lot of places around the league. With Gilbert bringing in the Chinese investors it just allowed him to spend even more. There are not many teams that are looking to add any salary and they are going to be way more teams that are looking to dump some long term money for a bag of chips to try and save something.
I'd be shocked if they trade with us...
The Wiztards are down by 30 just now. It's time to shake things up.
I wonder who all is interested in Jameson. The Spurs, no doubt, but they can't counter an offer of Z and J.J. I suppose the Celtics could offer Ray Allen and Big Baby. That's about it. Our chances are probably as good as anyone's.
I don't understand why people are having trouble understanding this.OK, I got to say this now.
The Wiztards front office hates no one. No front office hates another in this league. It is the front offices and GM's doing the trades not the fans. Yes, the fans and the players hate us but the front office has to do what's best for the Wiztards therefore if they are going to trade someone they have to make sure that they get the best they can.
And if we are offering that best package, they will trade with us.
I don't understand why people are having trouble understanding this.
The front office (especially the owner) is almost always concerned with making the best business decision. For some, like the major contenders, that might include trading prospects or taking on salary for players that will help now. For others who are out of contention and have been struggling for the past couple years, like Washington, that might include blowing up the core and getting the best offer you can for what you want to trade. Given the current state of the economy along with Jamison's contract and age, a team out of contention likely won't be interested (and they shouldn't be). That's ~half the league eliminated right there. Then there are some teams that won't want to lose their cap space, so there's a couple more teams eliminated there. Then, most of the other legit contenders are eliminated because they already have a PF. FINALLY, that only leaves a couple teams left, and a couple of those teams can be eliminated as well because they don't have a big expiring, which is what Washington would probably want if they blew things up. Soooo assuming a different team doesn't make a huge mistake and overpay for him, there's a good chance the Cavs will make the best offer.
I don't understand why people are having trouble understanding this.
The front office (especially the owner) is almost always concerned with making the best business decision. For some, like the major contenders, that might include trading prospects or taking on salary for players that will help now. For others who are out of contention and have been struggling for the past couple years, like Washington, that might include blowing up the core and getting the best offer you can for what you want to trade. Given the current state of the economy along with Jamison's contract and age, a team out of contention likely won't be interested (and they shouldn't be). That's ~half the league eliminated right there. Then there are some teams that won't want to lose their cap space, so there's a couple more teams eliminated there. Then, most of the other legit contenders are eliminated because they already have a PF. FINALLY, that only leaves a couple teams left, and a couple of those teams can be eliminated as well because they don't have a big expiring, which is what Washington would probably want if they blew things up. Soooo assuming a different team doesn't make a huge mistake and overpay for him, there's a good chance the Cavs will make the best offer.