Your apology rings hollow, LeBron (Sam The Bullshit Whisperer)

[Mdog1]

Didn't you compare yourself to this bigjmac clown? Nobody here is denying James is a great player. bigjmac actually still likes and supports James; this isn't about him just acknowledging his greatness.

I just said our mindsets were similar. I acknowledge that LeBron is a great player and that as soon as the Heat start to win then he will be forgiven by everyone but us. I want to clear this up right now before everyone thinks I love LeBron. I like him as a player, but as a person he is scum, and if you gave me one hundred dollars a game to watch every Miami game I couldn't do it.

 

[Jon]

OH MY GOD! DEBATES!!!! DON'T DISAGREE!

The problem is that the initial poster tried to say something was a fact when it obviously wasn't. And I'm going to call him out on it. This has nothing to do with respect, I felt disrespected by saying that I would give up my fanship so quickly just because a guy came back to win a title. I am not a whore, and my fanship cannot be sold like I was one. It does not work like that, not when I was disrespected and not given dignity by LeBron when on live TV and told every single Cavalier fan that he was too good for them. He said that he was bigger than Cleveland and bigger than the team. You can still hear that in his voice and the way he talks to people and how he didn't believe he could "do it by himself."

He's a liar, a quitter, and a scum bag. And if you defend him while still claiming to be a Cavaliers fan, and then tell me that I'm going to be a LeBron fan if he came back here is insulting to me.

Don't think just because you are older you can sit on your high horse and pretend to be better than me and point out my flaws.

Oh my... this calls for a list.

a) I wasn't replying to you.

b) I never said people shouldn't "debate", let alone "argue" and "disagree". I'm in favor of all those things.

c) I'm not sure who you mean by "initial poster", because what you said doesn't fit what the thread starter said.

d) People use generalities all the time .. they say "all" when they mean "most". Unless you were told you personally are going to come running back like a dog to lick LeBron's face you shouldn't take it personally.

e) That LeBron is a "liar, a quitter, and a scum bag" is your opinion. One many share, but still ... just an opinion.

f) I have no clue whether I'm older than you or not. I"m certainly not pretending to be better than anyone, and I don't recall pointing out your flaws.

Or in other words ... huh?

 

[Ghost Writer]

Im not a Miami Heat fan to clairfy, im a Lebron James fan. Im also a Cleveland Cavaliers fan. I was Lebron James fan before he was even drafted. So you cant judge me for who the athletes i like. Just because he quit and walked out on the team you guys are gonna hate. Belle, Manny, Thome, Boozer, etc. all walked out on their respective Cleveland teams for money and you still take Lebron as the most hated person in Cleveland.

So, that makes it right??? Because you followed him before he made it to the nba! You named 3 baseball players and a loozer!! Seriously?

 

[Damage]

What's infuriating is fans hating on other fans for having an opinion. Basketball is just a game. This board is a form of social interaction. Try to show some respect.

Shut up, Jon

 

[Jon]

You're still not getting it's not that he left, it's how he left. Do people not care about integrity anymore?

Mostly, no.

Fans primarily care what a player can do for them on the basketball court.

If the exact thing happened in reverse with Wade/Bosh coming to Cleveland, we'd be just like the Heat fans ... except we'd actually fill the seats and cheer for the schmucks.

Did LeBron handle this whole ordeal poorly? You betcha. So what? He's handled 100's of things badly. We just didn't start caring until he was no longer "our guy".

 

[Mdog1]

Shut up, Jon

That's not pety... Hey everyone welcome to second grade!

 

[MDLT]

Anyone's allowed to continue supporting James or attempting to justify his past actions - but don't expect to post those kinds of arguments on a Cleveland forum and expect them to be received kindly.

You don't show up to OSU Stadium in Michigan gear, you don't go to a Browns Backers bar in a Steelers jersey, you don't wear a Yankees hat to an Indians-Yankees playoff game (!!!!), and you sure as shit don't justify LeBron James on a Cleveland sports forum - unless you're ready to be attacked.

Don't like that kind of culture or backlash? Too bad - that's way it is and the way its gonna be. Go somewhere else if you can't deal with it.

 

[MoFlo]

b) I never said people shouldn't "debate", let alone "argue" and "disagree". I'm in favor of all those things.

We know Jon, we know :chuckles:

 

[The Voice]

Mostly, no.

Fans primarily care what a player can do for them on the basketball court.

While that's true for the most part. If I found out LBJ was juicing while he was a Cav I would have lost a ton of respect for him. If he pulled a Vick, I wouldn't be a fan of his anymore, but I'd still root for the Cavs.

If the exact thing happened in reverse with Wade/Bosh coming to Cleveland, we'd be just like the Heat fans ... except we'd actually fill the seats and cheer for the schmucks.

Did LeBron handle this whole ordeal poorly? You betcha. So what? He's handled 100's of things badly. We just didn't start caring until he was no longer "our guy".

That's not true, many fans cared when he wore a yankees cap or when he wore a cowboys cap. Some didn't like that he didn't sign the petition about Darfur.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Oh my... this calls for a list.

a) I wasn't replying to you.

Yes you were. I was the one talking down to him and still am.

b) I never said people shouldn't "debate", let alone "argue" and "disagree". I'm in favor of all those things.

Only when it pisses you off apparently do you discourage it.

c) I'm not sure who you mean by "initial poster", because what you said doesn't fit what the thread starter said.

He stated his opinion in one of the other apology threads then immediately started this thread.

d) People use generalities all the time .. they say "all" when they mean "most". Unless you were told you personally are going to come running back like a dog to lick LeBron's face you shouldn't take it personally.

When he says Cavaliers fans and he said if we won a title we would all love him again, yeah, I'm going to take that personally.

e) That LeBron is a "liar, a quitter, and a scum bag" is your opinion. One many share, but still ... just an opinion.

The only one of those that I cannot prove is that he is a scum bag. He most certainly is a liar and a quitter though.

f) I have no clue whether I'm older than you or not. I"m certainly not pretending to be better than anyone, and I don't recall pointing out your flaws.

Or in other words ... huh?

I admit that the last sentence was regrettable.

 

[bigjmac0815]

Im sorry for having an opinion on things and how i think people would react to it. This isnt a opinionated site i guess. I have to hate Lebron now so i will

Im sorry i cant like the Cavs as a team and Lebron as a player

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Im sorry for having an opinion on things and how i think people would react to it. This isnt a opinionated site i guess. I have to hate Lebron now so i will

Im sorry i cant like the Cavs as a team and Lebron as a player

You can like whoever you want, but to cry about being ridiculed when you openly support LeBron on a Cavs fan forum...you kind of deserve it.

It'd be best if you just didn't say a damn thing about it.

 

[Backstage]

Im sorry for having an opinion on things and how i think people would react to it. This isnt a opinionated site i guess. I have to hate Lebron now so i will

Im sorry i cant like the Cavs as a team and Lebron as a player

I wonder where you learned to apologize.

 

[bigjmac0815]

You can like whoever you want, but to cry about being ridiculed when you openly support LeBron on a Cavs fan forum...you kind of deserve it.

It'd be best if you just didn't say a damn thing about it.

Well when I look at it now. It aint Lebron's fault, its Coach Brown and the players fault. If Coach Brown saw Lebron giving up you bench his ass for it. It's the players fault because they didnt step up when they saw him quitting on them. They didnt do anything about it so they should be the ones at fault.

Its also the front office's fault in my eyes. We could have had Amare Stoudemire two times at the trade deadline and we chose Antawn Jamison. We could have had Tyson Chandler but we chose Shaq. Dumb moves by Ferry and Gilbert to make Lebron "happy" cost us two championships. Signing free agents like Jamario Moon dont make this team a championship team but in Ferry and Gilbert's eyes it did.

 

[ButterMPancakes]

Its also the front office's fault in my eyes. We could have had Amare Stoudemire two times at the trade deadline and we chose Antawn Jamison. We could have had Tyson Chandler but we chose Shaq. Dumb moves by Ferry and Gilbert to make Lebron "happy" cost us two championships. Signing free agents like Jamario Moon dont make this team a championship team but in Ferry and Gilbert's eyes it did.

Come on dude, how can you say that? So if someone shoots you, is it your fault that you went to the hospital because you didn't bother to dodge it?