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My concern is with the Z injury lingering in the minds of opposing GM's does this hurt our leverage? Even if it doesn't in actuality, GM's looking for deals with us might think that we are more desperate for a big now that we are getting a glimpse of life without Z. They may try to get more out of us in that event. There's not a whole lot of exciting options for the center position that can provide both youth and and scoring. Any added wrinkles to the equation make this even more challenging to pull off. This is exactly what many of us feared in the beginning of the season. The one bright spot is that none of us expected Andy to be putting up 15+ point outings pretty consistently. When playing the featured role he is showing up in a big way. He had 10 games scoring over 12 pts, 5 with 15 or over, and a 26 point outburst when slid into the starting role. Evey single career high for him has come this season. I wasn't expecting this at all and this has helped buffer the loss of a Z or Big Ben. The need is there but we don't have to make a stupid move.
 
I hope tomorrow I wake up with the headline "Cavs sign Dwayne Jones".
 
I hope tomorrow I wake up with the headline "Cavs sign Dwayne Jones".

I was hoping along the lines of, "Wally, Sasha, DJ and a first for Salmons and Brad Miller" or "Wally, DJ, and a first for G-Force".
 
My concern is with the Z injury lingering in the minds of opposing GM's does this hurt our leverage? Even if it doesn't in actuality, GM's looking for deals with us might think that we are more desperate for a big now that we are getting a glimpse of life without Z. They may try to get more out of us in that event. There's not a whole lot of exciting options for the center position that can provide both youth and and scoring. Any added wrinkles to the equation make this even more challenging to pull off. This is exactly what many of us feared in the beginning of the season. The one bright spot is that none of us expected Andy to be putting up 15+ point outings pretty consistently. When playing the featured role he is showing up in a big way. He had 10 games scoring over 12 pts, 5 with 15 or over, and a 26 point outburst when slid into the starting role. Evey single career high for him has come this season. I wasn't expecting this at all and this has helped buffer the loss of a Z or Big Ben. The need is there but we don't have to make a stupid move.

Thats true....i didn't really think of that. But Ferry knows what he's doing...remember he brought us Big Ben, Joe Smith, Wall-E, and my future BFFF Brother Red. He'll work his magic this year as well...
 
^^^ Thats scary to think about, hopefully its not that extreme.
 
Hopefully I am wrong. But, I don't think I am.

From all the evidence you've offered about the nature of that particular injury, you've painted a grim, worst-case scenario.

But as far as I can follow, this is 100% pure speculation. The only evidence you've offered is that they missed the problem on the original MRI. Why else should anyone believe that anything you wrote applies to Z?

You've made Z's ankle into something like a shot-in-the-dark trade thread.

If I said, "I think you are wrong", I would have made as many solid points as your post.

Can you offer anything other than your 50/50 "feeling" or your worry about Z's foot that supports what you said?

If not, I think we'll all have to wait and see.
 
If your post leads to a trade idea then i know you are Heath lol.... ;)
 
From all the evidence you've offered about the nature of that particular injury, you've painted a grim, worst-case scenario.

But as far as I can follow, this is 100% pure speculation. The only evidence you've offered is that they missed the problem on the original MRI. Why else should anyone believe that anything you wrote applies to Z?

You've made Z's ankle into something like a shot-in-the-dark trade thread.

If I said, "I think you are wrong", I would have made as many solid points as your post.

Can you offer anything other than your 50/50 "feeling" or your worry about Z's foot that supports what you said?

If not, I think we'll all have to wait and see.

Google "How long does it take for a break to the talus bone to heal"

If after reading all the stories and medical commentary, you still feel this way. then so be it. I hope you are right.
 
I'm just really happy that he got the rebounding title already. And I would be willing to bet $1,000 that the Cavaliers win the title this year if Zydrunas has to end his career.

Now, you will bet the Cavs will win because Z has to end his career?

I understand now. You just like to provoke with outrageous statements. Have fun with it.

Google "How long does it take for a break to the talus bone to heal"

What I've read from Windhorst and others is that Z has a bone chip (from the Talus bone). So, google "chipped talus bone zydrunas" and look at news stories. Bone chips are different from fractured bones, although it has been reported differently by some non-local news sources. Here's an entry on a medical blog about bone chips:

Zydrunas Ilgauskas is a big dude. He runs 7 foot 3 and comes in at 260 pounds. He's on the disabled list for the Cleveland Caviliers for at least a month with a bone chip in his ankle. Interesting. Why? Well, he has a history of foot problems and this is just the latest.

What is an ankle bone chip? Most people might thinka n ankle bone chip is similar to a heel spur and they would be right, except the chip is a free floating part of the ankle that has come off. In Zydrunas' case, the part of the ankle affected isn't part of his foot structure.

The ankle is a joint, so more than likely the bone came from one of the many in his foot. Again, this is concerning for him since his foot has suffered many injuries in the past. Through an MRI they were able to determine that this isn't a structural issue.

What are the symptoms of an ankle bone chip? Pain and discomfort would be the most. Zydrunas himself said, "I played on it but it didn't feel good. I wasn't the player I should be." This is a great indication of a lingering injury. At first they thought it was a normal strained ankle, but time proved that it was a more important injury.

How do you treat an ankle bone chip? Excellent question. The best thing, if the injury isn't structural in nature, is rest and elevation. The idea is that the bone will graft back into place without intervention. This means he won't be jumping or running for a while. If the issue is structural you're looking at a cast or surgery. Since he's had a number of foot surgeries, I am sure they don't want to rush into this.

How long does it take to recover from an ankle bone chip? It depends on the severity, but a few weeks should do it. I am thinking he'll be back sooner than a month.

http://www.thedisabledlist.com/How-to-treat-an-ankle-bone-chip-Zydrunas-Ilgauskas

Before I believe that Z's career may be over, I would like a team doctor (or a Cavs Insider on this board) to say that Z has fractured a critical bone in his foot (not that he has bone chip) or to see what happens a month or two months down the line. I think the journalists and insiders working with or near the team, or someone who knows the MRI guy, would be able to uncover this.

Your worry that this could be _____ injury is just that: your worry.

I'm not saying the whole thing is not serious and may take longer to heal (and may affect Z down the line), but to claim it's a specific serious injury that's being hidden from everyone else suggests that you are seeing the glass as 1/100 full.
 
Now, you will bet the Cavs will win because Z has to end his career?

I understand now. You just like to provoke with outrageous statements. Have fun with i.

No.

But if Zydrunas has to retire, do you not think that LeBron and the Cavaliers would play that much harder, to ensure that Zydrunas gets a ring in his last season????

I would think they would dedicate the season to him.
 
Cavs fans do not know if the injury will require surgery or not, at this point. I post this without any spin, just a quote from a medical website:

Nonsurgical Treatment
Treatment for OCD depends on when the problem is discovered. If the problem is discovered immediately after a twisting injury to the ankle, immobilization in a cast for six weeks may be suggested to see if the bone injury heals. You may need to keep weight off the foot and use crutches during this period of immobilization.

Surgery
If the problem is not recognized early, the bone fragment may not heal and may continue to cause problems. Surgery may be required to try to reduce your symptoms at this point.

Surgery usually involves removing the loose fragment of cartilage and bone from the ankle joint and drilling small holes in the injured bone. When the fragment is removed, a defect shaped like a small crater is left in the talar dome. It is this area where the drill holes are made. The drill holes allow new blood vessels to grow into the defect and help to form scar tissue to fill the area. Eventually this new scar tissue smoothes out the defect and allows the ankle to move more easily.
Arthroscopic Method

In some cases the surgery may be done using an arthroscope. An arthroscope is a special miniature TV camera that is inserted into the joint through a very small incision. Special instruments are inserted into the ankle through other small incisions. By watching on the TV screen, the surgeon removes the fragment and drills the defect.

Open Method

The ankle is a small joint, so it is sometimes difficult to get the arthroscope into certain areas. If the defect is in an area of the ankle difficult to reach with the arthroscope, an open incision may be required. This incision is usually made in the front of the ankle to allow the surgeon to see into the joint. Special instruments are used to remove the fragment and drill the injured area.


Rehabilitation
What should I expect following treatment?

Nonsurgical Rehabilitation
If your surgeon recommends nonsurgical care with a cast or boot, you will probably use crutches for at least six weeks. During follow-up office visits, X-rays are taken so that the surgeon can follow the healing of the fragment and determine whether surgery will be necessary.

After Surgery
Patients normally require crutches to keep from putting weight on the ankle for four to six weeks. Surgeons may have their patients start doing motion exercises very soon after surgery. Patients wear a splint that can easily be removed to do the exercises throughout the day.

You will probably wear a bandage or dressing for a week following the procedure. The stitches are generally removed in 10 to 14 days. However, if your surgeon used sutures that dissolve, you won't need to have the stitches taken out.

Your surgeon may have you take part in formal physical therapy after surgery. The first few physical therapy treatments are designed to help control the pain and swelling from the surgery. Physical therapists will also work with you to make sure you are only putting a safe amount of weight on the affected leg.

The physical therapist will choose exercises to help improve ankle motion and to get the muscles toned and active again. At first, emphasis is placed on exercising the ankle in positions and movements that don't strain the healing part of the cartilage. As the program evolves, more challenging exercises are chosen to safely advance the ankles' strength and function.

Some of the exercises you'll do are designed to get your leg and ankle working in ways that are similar to the activities you do every day, such as rising on your toes, walking, and going up and down stairs.

The physical therapist's goal is to help you keep your pain under control, ensure safe weight bearing, and improve your strength and range of motion. When you are well underway, regular visits to the therapist's office will end. Your therapist will continue to be a resource, but you will be in charge of doing your exercises as part of an ongoing home program.

http://www.eorthopod.com/public/patient_education/6488/osteochondritis_dissecans_of_the_talus.html
 
But if Zydrunas has to retire, do you not think that LeBron and the Cavaliers would play that much harder, to ensure that Zydrunas gets a ring in his last season????

OK, and if LeBron gets injured, the team will play that much harder, and win 2 championships in a row without him. :thumbup:

I want some of the logic you're drinking.
 

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