Trading Kyrie Irving?

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randymoss1881 said:

If that trade offer was made to the bucks gm in person I wouldn't fault them for inciting a brawl. Laughable offer

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Exactly. Even Chris Grant wouldn't have the audacity to propose such a rip off trade.

This thread is bonkers. You give Kyrie the max, and pray he takes it. What you all should really be focusing on is the pitiful coaching and sub-par supporting cast.

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RappSoda said:

Honestly, the sustaining desire to trade Kyrie... Reading through the last like 6 pages of this thread and realizing people were serious, then defending it...

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I think there's a difference between a desire to trade Kyrie (which I don't have...he's currently our best player) and a willingness to trade him if a great deal came along (like the absurd Milwaukee deal above).

This discussion is rather pointless, though, because Milwaukee would never made such an offer.

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Jack Brickman said:

I think there's a difference between a desire to trade Kyrie (which I don't have...he's currently our best player) and a willingness to trade him if a great deal came along (like the absurd Milwaukee deal above).

This discussion is rather pointless, though, because Milwaukee would never made such an offer.

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That trade is absurd. It is absurd because the Cavs give away the best player in the deal. In basketball, the best player in the deal is everything. The package centers around Giannis? :chuckles:



Half of you are the same people who blast the Browns for trading down with Atlanta. SMGDH

Keys' thread title nails it.

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RappSoda said:

That trade is absurd. It is absurd because the Cavs give away the best player in the deal. In basketball, the best player in the deal is everything. The package centers around Giannis? :chuckles:

Half of you are the same people who blast the Browns for trading down with Atlanta. SMGDH

Keys' thread title nails it.

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LOL at you pretending to believe that trade would be centered around Giannis and that he's the key cog in a trade featuring a #1 pick, a presumable top 5 pick the next year and third on the list of priorities...Giannis.


Get over it boys. People are going to be open to the idea of trading Kyrie as long as he proves to be inconsistent, be rumored by reliable soures to have a shitty attitude and above all...unable to carry teams with more talent than the teams Cavs fans were used to seeing LeBron carry at least to the edge of the playoffs early in his career.

If you, Keys and others can't handle that...then let's all the hope the kid gets his shit together and we can all stop being "idiots."

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It's centered around high draft picks, right?

Guess who we are going to depend on to develop those? Mike fucking Brown. The antithesis of talent-development.

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Maybe I read that trade wrong, but we get Giannis, a future first (which would probably be late teens/early 20's if it's 2016), and a bunch of roleplayers. How does that make any sense for the Cavs? We give up a proven star-level talent for a maybe star-level talent and a handful of nickle and dime type players?

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LOL at you pretending to believe that trade would be centered around Giannis and that he's the key cog in a trade featuring a #1 pick, a presumable top 5 pick the next year and third on the list of priorities...Giannis.

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Oh, sweet. Lets just trade Kyrie and throw some dice.

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Nathan S said:

Maybe I read that trade wrong, but we get Giannis, a future first (which would probably be late teens/early 20's if it's 2016), and a bunch of roleplayers. How does that make any sense for the Cavs? We give up a proven star-level talent for a maybe star-level talent and a handful of nickle and dime type players?

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EXACTLY.

No chance you draft Hasheem Thabeet, I suppose.

Also, it would've been cool if, you know, Cauley-Stein/Nash declared for the draft last year....

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It's not trading Kyrie for a Giannis and a future first. The assumption is that the Cavs would get the Bucks unprotected picks this year (top 3) and next year. I would do that without hesitation. I would take Jabari or Embiid for Kyrie straight up right now.

Side note: I don't wish for injury upon Kyrie, but I would love to see the team with Kyrie out and Dion healthy. We are seeing it now with Dion out and Kyrie healthy, and the team is an embarrassment again. Would love to see if the Cavs are worse, the same, or even better.

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RappSoda said:

EXACTLY.

No chance you draft Hasheem Thabeet, I suppose.

Also, it would've been cool if, you know, Cauley-Stein/Nash declared for the draft last year....

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Even aside from bad drafting though...with this trade Milwaukee ends up with Kyrie plus a top-4 pick in this draft plus many of the quality vets that got them to the playoffs last year. We would have to get incredibly lucky for that first rounder to end up in the top-10, and even more incredibly lucky to draft a star-level player with it.

EDIT: If it's Giannis AND the Bucks unprotected 2014 AND the Bucks 2016 first rounder AND assorted young players then sure, it's a fair deal. But I don't think that's how the trade was initially laid out...?

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_____ said:

LOL at you pretending to believe that trade would be centered around Giannis and that he's the key cog in a trade featuring a #1 pick, a presumable top 5 pick the next year and third on the list of priorities...Giannis.

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Yeah I mean... did his computer glitch when he read that or what?

Also, I really wonder if some of you actually watch the games and study how Kyrie conducts himself on the floor. There's next to no leadership qualities, no defense, and his style of offense is one based on finesse rather than strength and size. Basically, those high percentage crafty lay ups become low percentage risky attempts when there's a lick of defense played. He has a hard time finishing consistently when the paint is clogged or when pressure is applied one on one. He's nowhere near the type of passer this team needs him to be as the ball often sticks and his BBIQ is average at best. His shot is broken half the time and he has a hard time making his teammates better. I don't see how in the world you offer this guy a max contract at this point. It seems like we want to hang onto the Kyrie that we saw for a brief moment last year and sadly that is not who he is right now at this moment.

I would rather get something in return and save that max deal for someone who actually deserves it. He is a star in name only, certainly not on the floor. I think we've seen a plethora of games that by now we can sort of see his ceiling. In a time when it's so important for him to be getting better, his trajectory is sinking lower.

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Nathan S said:

Maybe I read that trade wrong, but we get Giannis, a future first (which would probably be late teens/early 20's if it's 2016), and a bunch of roleplayers. How does that make any sense for the Cavs? We give up a proven star-level talent for a maybe star-level talent and a handful of nickle and dime type players?

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I think you did. It seems like it's MIL 2014 #1, MIL 2015 #1, Giannis, and Wolters for Kyrie with the idea that the trade occurs on draft night after Milwaukee makes the pick for Cleveland so they would be allowed to trade their 2015 #1.

Basically, it's Wiggins/Embiid/Jabari + 2015 #1 (potential lottery pick) + Giannis for Kyrie.

For the record, I am against trading Kyrie Irving, but that is a pretty nice package and one that would be worth at least entertaining.

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Omar The Horse said:

Dwight trade:

Orlando got guard Arron Afflalo and forward Al Harrington from Denver and forward Moe Harkless and center Nikola Vucevic from Philadelphia and forward Josh McRoberts and guard Christian Eyenga from the Lakers. The Lakers got Howard, guard Chris Duhon and forward Earl Clark from Orlando. The Magic also traded guard Jason Richardson to Philadelphia.

The Magic also will get a second-round draft pick from Denver next year, a first-round pick from either Denver or New York in 2014, a conditional first-round pick from Philadelphia and a conditional second-round pick from the Lakers in 2015, and a conditional first-round pick from the Lakers in 2017. Orlando also will have a $17.8 million trade exception to use over the next year.

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And wholly crap the Magic made out like bandits on that deal. Christ.

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The Magic have been doing some great things since Howard stabbed them in the back. I have no idea how the GM could have handled this situation better since getting the job.

That said, without star power they have a 29% win percentage at the moment. NBA is a star driven league. Kyrie is a star with a few holes in his game and his persona. They need to figure out how to properly support the star they have rather than hope the next drafted players don't have any holes in their game or persona. Jesus Christ isn't available in the next two drafts. A bunch of immature and raw one and done players will be available.

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Nathan S said:

Even aside from bad drafting though...with this trade Milwaukee ends up with Kyrie plus a top-4 pick in this draft plus many of the quality vets that got them to the playoffs last year. We would have to get incredibly lucky for that first rounder to end up in the top-10, and even more incredibly lucky to draft a star-level player with it.

EDIT: If it's Giannis AND the Bucks unprotected 2014 AND the Bucks 2016 first rounder AND assorted young players then sure, it's a fair deal. But I don't think that's how the trade was initially laid out...?

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It's a very lop-sided deal in our favor. That is almost a sure thing they'll end up in the lottery again next year.

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SuperSurge said:

Exactly. Even Chris Grant wouldn't have the audacity to propose such a rip off trade.

This thread is bonkers. You give Kyrie the max, and pray he takes it. What you all should really be focusing on is the pitiful coaching and sub-par supporting cast.

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The supporting cast thing was the LeBron excuse, and it actually had merit because LeBron was playing like a superstar.

When Kyrie starts playing up to his maximum potential and still isn't good enough, then I'll really blame the supporting cast (although I do already). But as long as he keeps having back-to-back games like he just had, he deserves the blame along with everyone else.