2016 NBA Offseason

[blommen]

Man I agree.. But some teams are willing to gamble. I think Howard goes to the highest bidder since he's not guaranteed a full max deal. Knicks just wanna sell a product; Pacers.. I dunno, maybe they want rim protection and low post scoring?

if it's between those two I'm not gonna Lie, the prospect of watching Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard playing on the same team with the king of passive aggressive in Phil Jackson at the helm sounds like the more entertaining option. there is no way in hell they are going to be playing winning basketball but the potential disaster could at least make for compelling tv.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

if it's between those two I'm not gonna Lie, the prospect of watching Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard playing on the same team with the king of passive aggressive in Phil Jackson at the helm sounds like the more entertaining option. there is no way in hell they are going to be playing winning basketball but the potential disaster could at least make for compelling tv.

Absolutely

This is what we all should be rooting for because it would be funny.

 

[Jordan]

Yep, we'd have assets and the means to move them.

Lance fills so many roles on this team, from backup point guard, backup shooting guard, and backup wing. An extra defender, a decent scorer who can create for himself and others....

To me, it's an ideal pickup and the Grizzlies have no reason or desire to keep him around, AFAIK.

Just think about our rotation.

PG: Kyrie/Delly/Mo
SG: JR/Lance/Shump/McRae
SF: LBJ/RJ/Dahntay/Champ
PF: Love/Channing
C: TT/Moz

The only guy who we'd need to move would be Kaun. I don't know if anyone would trade for him, but I'd much rather have Dahntay and Champ (for their locker-room presence) and McRae (for potential) than Kaun.

Lance gives you so much flexibility because he can guard point guards, shooting guards, and small forwards. That means you have between eight and ten guys - out of a fifteen man roster - that can guard multiple positions. Moreover, our entire playoff rotation will be able to guard their opponent just given our rotational flexibility.

 

[gourimoko]

Just think about our rotation.

PG: Kyrie/Delly/Mo
SG: JR/Lance/Shump/McRae
SF: LBJ/RJ/Dahntay/Champ
PF: Love/Channing
C: TT/Moz

The only guy who we'd need to move would be Kaun. I don't know if anyone would trade for him, but I'd much rather have Dahntay and Champ (for their locker-room presence) and McRae (for potential) than Kaun.

Lance gives you so much flexibility because he can guard point guards, shooting guards, and small forwards. That means you have between eight and ten guys - out of a fifteen man roster - that can guard multiple positions. Moreover, our entire playoff rotation will be able to guard their opponent just given our rotational flexibility.

Indeed.. it's ridiculous..

Lance could also play the backup point or SF under any circumstances, or even start if JR got hurt.

Guy can ball at the 1-3 on both ends of the floor, Grizzlies wanna dump him, and we should be able to absorb him into the TPE for very little assets.

It just makes too much sense for both teams.. Hopefully Griff is on it tomorrow.

 

[blommen]

The big question mark with Lance is his attitude, though. Just because LeBron became the Swish Whisperer, it doesn't automatically mean he'll be able to do the same for Lance. Let's not forget that LeBron had a relationship with JR prior to the trade and they were friends for years before they got together on the same team. Conversely Lance is not only not friends with LBJ but they had some serious beef going during the Heat years where Lance was the prime instigator on that Pacers team.

On paper Lance looks like a perfect fit, but I'm not sure bringing him over is as cut and dry as it may seem.

 

[gourimoko]

The big question mark with Lance is his attitude, though. Just because LeBron became the Swish Whisperer, it doesn't automatically mean he'll be able to do the same for Lance. Let's not forget that LeBron had a relationship with JR prior to the trade and they were friends for years before they got together on the same team. Conversely Lance is not only not friends with LBJ but they had some serious beef going during the Heat years where Lance was the prime instigator on that Pacers team.

On paper Lance looks like a perfect fit, but I'm not sure bringing him over is as cut and dry as it may seem.

Yes of course, but I think for James, it'll be all about winning.

I mean, what are we giving up for Stephenson? The TPE and a pick? In a year where cap space is abundant? That TPE is almost worthless, and we have a legit chance at ending next season with the best record in the league, so our pick next season will be trash - less valuable than a second rounder.

If Lance doesn't work out, you trade him at the deadline.

 

[blommen]

Yes of course, but I think for James, it'll be all about winning.

I mean, what are we giving up for Stephenson? The TPE and a pick? In a year where cap space is abundant? That TPE is almost worthless, and we have a legit chance at ending next season with the best record in the league, so our pick next season will be trash - less valuable than a second rounder.

If Lance doesn't work out, you trade him at the deadline.

Oh absolutely it's about winning but if a guy is a problem in the locker room that could effect the on court play as well. I just don't think LeBron will allow a player to join the roster if he has a suspicion that he will have a negative impact on the lockerroom in any way, nor should he. If we pick up Stephenson it means we're all good and LeBron trusts him. If we don't, well then he most likely wasn't worth the risk or time.

 

[Jordan]

Yes of course, but I think for James, it'll be all about winning.

I mean, what are we giving up for Stephenson? The TPE and a pick? In a year where cap space is abundant? That TPE is almost worthless, and we have a legit chance at ending next season with the best record in the league, so our pick next season will be trash - less valuable than a second rounder.

If Lance doesn't work out, you trade him at the deadline.

The bolded is very true. I don't know what we'll need to trade along with the TPE to get Lance, but I imagine it being either an upcoming second round pick or a future first five or six years down the road. If you have to trade him this year, I imagine some struggling team attempting to make the playoffs would take him on and we could recoup at least part of what we gave up.

Additionally, if David Griffin and possibly Lue ask LeBron if he can work with Lance, and LBJ says no, then you don't make the trade. It's that simple.

 

[Rich]

Hayward.

Why, though? They don't need wings. Jae Crowder is just a straight up downgrade from Hayward and I'm not sure Bradley is better than Burks. Now, if this were prior to them getting George Hill and they were willing to trade, say, Isiah Thomas and the third pick, maybe?

 

[gourimoko]

Why, though? They don't need wings.

Hayward is apparently demanding a trade; Brad Stevens and Hayward have a great relationship; Hayward is an immediate upgrade over anything they have.

Thomas and Hayward is a solid 2-man core to add a star to.

Jae Crowder is just a straight up downgrade from Hayward and I'm not sure Bradley is better than Burks.

Oh.. you mean, why for Utah? Yeah.. why for Utah....

I suppose the only reason Utah would do this is because Hayward wants out... otherwise it makes no sense.

Now, if this were prior to them getting George and they were willing to trade, say, Isiah Thomas and the third pick, maybe?

I do think Boston will inquire about Hayward. They've been shopping their supposedly great package all around the NBA. But as to whether or not Utah bites, remains to be seen. No one else seems to think the #3 pick plus the Celtics role players are as good as their being advertised.

 

[Rich]

I do think Boston will inquire about Hayward. They've been shopping their supposedly great package all around the NBA. But as to whether or not Utah bites, remains to be seen. No one else seems to think the #3 pick plus the Celtics role players are as good as their being advertised.

This is what is fascinating. How long this package has been sold as some goldmine. Man, the Cavs gave up a guy who had real star potential in Wiggins for a star player on the last year of his deal. The Celtics thinking they can get an equal or greater player (like Cousins or Butler) for exactly zero players with star potential and a draft pick that fell just outside the money spot is hilarious.

Jae Crowder+Avery Bradley+3rd pick MIGHT get you Hayward if A) Hayward wants out or B) Hayward is on the last year of his contract. And if you tell that to a Celtics fan they'd say yo uwere nuts and the Celtics would be giving up way too much. But that's about as good as that package is gonna fetch. It's not getting a young all-star caliber player that will be a star for years to come.

 

[gourimoko]

This is what is fascinating. How long this package has been sold as some goldmine. Man, the Cavs gave up a guy who had real star potential in Wiggins for a star player on the last year of his deal. The Celtics thinking they can get an equal or greater player (like Cousins or Butler) for exactly zero players with star potential and a draft pick that fell just outside the money spot is hilarious.

Jae Crowder+Avery Bradley+3rd pick MIGHT get you Hayward if A) Hayward wants out or B) Hayward is on the last year of his contract. And if you tell that to a Celtics fan they'd say yo uwere nuts and the Celtics would be giving up way too much. But that's about as good as that package is gonna fetch. It's not getting a young all-star caliber player that will be a star for years to come.

Yep.. certainly seems that way.

Couldn't agree more. That package's value seems to have been revealed as nothing more than hype.

 

[Rich]

Something the Celtics fans need to comprehend. Star players who are under contract for multiple years are WAY more valuable than they've ever been. Because a player like Butler, who will cost you 16-17 million a year under his old salary cap contract, will cost you 22-24 million a year after next season.

 

[Jordan]

Hayward is apparently demanding a trade; Brad Stevens and Hayward have a great relationship; Hayward is an immediate upgrade over anything they have.

Thomas and Hayward is a solid 2-man core to add a star to.



Oh.. you mean, why for Utah? Yeah.. why for Utah....

I suppose the only reason Utah would do this is because Hayward wants out... otherwise it makes no sense.



I do think Boston will inquire about Hayward. They've been shopping their supposedly great package all around the NBA. But as to whether or not Utah bites, remains to be seen. No one else seems to think the #3 pick plus the Celtics role players are as good as their being advertised.

So I'm not saying Hayward for sure doesn't want out, because I understand why he would, but the guy who reported it was Brian Geltzeiler, who is a trash journalist that founded a trash NBA site.

This is the guy who said that part of the reasons the Cavs fired Blatt was because the latter was Jewish, the guy who John Hollinger constantly (including this morning) calls out on twitter for making up fake rumors about the Grizzlies, and a guy who repeated the Love for Melo rumor that Isola tweeted out in January/February.

If there is another report out from someone who is half-as-reputable about Hayward, I'd totally believe it, but I don't trust Geltzeiler at all. He's an absolute hack-job.

 

[Soar]

Is it really possible Durant goes to the Warriors?