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Also, @Rich and @gourimoko, interesting article on Stein about the Celtics.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/st...-bid-swap-no-3-draft-pick-established-veteran

The Boston Celtics have been pursuing a number of established veterans in the buildup to Thursday's NBA draft, offering trade packages built around the No. 3 overall pick, according to league sources.

But sources told ESPN that the Celtics, to date, have been rebuffed in their efforts to assemble a sufficiently enticing deal to acquire any of these four prime targets: Chicago Bulls All-Star swingman Jimmy Butler, Utah Jazz guard Gordon Hayward and Milwaukee Bucks teammates Jabari Parker or Khris Middleton.
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Not only can Boston not use the #3 pick and players to get a star, but the #3 pick and assumedly other players can't land Jabari Parker nor Khris Middleton. Their management just doesn't understand the "value" of their assets.
 
Again, it's the money thing. Jabari Parker is under an old rookie scale contract. Why would you trade that for the third pick in this years draft unless you totally don't believe in Jabari?
 
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Again, it's the money thing. Jabari Parker is under an old rookie scale contract. Why would you trade that for the third pick in this years draft unless you totally don't believe in Jabari?
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Right, on top of that, I don't know anyone outside the top-two in this draft who either will be definitely (or, at least more than likely) better than Jabari or will be better fit for the Bucks. Sure, guys like Dunn, Hield, Murray, Brown, Poetl, etc. could be very good players, but Jabari showed a lot of promise last season. In the games I watched it definitely looked like he had a productive "rookie" year.

Celtics just drastically overvalued their assets. The #3 pick, Jae Crowder, and Avery Bradley are their three best, and frankly, those three together become redundant. Mainly because, as you keep saying, three assets ≠ star. Additionally, because whoever you take at #3 will also be a guard.

My question is, if the Celtics realize this offseason that their assets are really not that great, what do they do next?
 
HAHA Boston. You're "assets" are garbage.

This is an old fantasy football trick I use on noobs. "Just throw numbers at them" and watch them accept. Looks at all these players and picks you're getting!!!!

Except no team with a competent GM is going to take a heap of mediocre players for an all-star talent.

It's like my 2K16 buddy says- Boston is a team full of 75 rated players. Why would a team want 3 or 4 middling players?

Boston looks entrenched on the treadmill.
 
What they needed and still need was one of their own draft picks to turn into a player with star potential. And unless you absolutely are in love with Marcus Smart, that hasn't happened. Yea, they haven't had a best of picks, but they needed to get lucky with one of these guys. Olynyk, Sullinger, Smart. They've got a lot more picks coming, and honestly they wont be able to do all that much until they nail one of those picks. They haven't done poorly, by any means, but they've only managed to snag role players out of the draft.

EDIT: And honestly, Marcus Smart suddenly making a leap (that I don't think he can make) can change a lot. If he starts looking more like Jimmy Butler and less like a better version of Patrick Beverly, the Celtics will now have a really, truly valuable asset on their hands.
 
The Celtics got fucked so hard being one pick away from an all star level talent. I think they have a done a great job acquiring a lot of good role-players. Teams need a lot of the players that they have, but you don't deal a star for role-players, period.

They would have had a a realistic package for Demarcus Cousins had their pick been 1 higher. Not saying the Kings would have gone for it, but it would have at least been a legitimate offer with the first or the second pick plus role-players.
 
I honestly hate the Celtics more than any other team at this point. Just took a stroll around some of their boards, and basically the consensus is that trading Avery Bradley, and nothing else, for Kevin Love, is giving up too much.

I can't wait to watch tomorrow as they yet again strike out on acquiring a star player and, hopefully, panic and trade for someone like Greg Monroe or Rudy Gay.

The way they talk about some of these players compared to their own is amazing. Like the Bucks should jump all over a chance to swap out Middleton, who is under contract for a long time, for lesser players in Bradley and Crowder.

The most delusional fan base in the NBA. Every player they have is a valuable piece for any team. Including their shitty ass players like Olynyk and Sullinger.
 
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So is there a reason the Bucks shouldn't just throw a shit ton of money at Mike Conley? They've got a tremendous cap situation, even with the Not So Good Contract of Greg Monroe.

Conley, Giannis, Middleton, Parker. That's...that might be the second best team in the East.
 
I just feel like Lance is a mediocre player with an attitude. I still can't get over memories of watching him play with Charlotte -- god was he awful. I know every so often he flashes rare talent but he just seems like a fundamentally flawed player to me. We obviously won't get a star with the MLE but I would like to get someone you could count on to be a solid role player and a good teammate, and nothing about Lance seems predictable or solid.
 
The Celtics also are screwed by the fact that everyone has cap space this summer. No team is going to go into tank mode with the chance to go get a max player or two in free agency. They might be able to make a deal if someone strikes out in free agency but then it all becomes a matter of if said team liked how Boston drafted. In the end of the day with multiple teams having a large amount of picks, the cavs might actually be able to buy one this year.
 
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So is there a reason the Bucks shouldn't just throw a shit ton of money at Mike Conley? They've got a tremendous cap situation, even with the Not So Good Contract of Greg Monroe.

Conley, Giannis, Middleton, Parker. That's...that might be the second best team in the East.
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Apparently bucks scouted delly hard all playoffs so will make a push for him I expect. Him and Conley would give them a really solid PG rotation. Shame for them delly ain't leaving
 
Seeing the Celtics get shut out on all these players they think they have a shot at warms the cockles of my heart. I was in Boston for my honeymoon last week and wore a Cavs shirt to Fenway on Thursday night and some Chowd goes, "ay, fuck the Cavs, bro." I just walked by with a smirk on my face. Then, on Sunday, a Chowd who runs the Swan Boats told me Bostonians don't want Kevin Love anymore because his value is gone, and a TSA agent in the airport goes "the Cavs are going to LOOOOOSE tonight." Looks like you were wrong, fuckface.

Fuck the Chowds
 
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Is it really possible Durant goes to the Warriors?
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I mean the possibility is real just for the fact that he's a free agent and can technically go wherever he chooses and Golden State is making it known he's a top priority for them. Nothing is coming out from Durant's camp about him having any mutual interest, and I just don't see it. I'm not ruling out the possibility of him leaving OKC, but have we have ever had a player have a very hard fought, tempers flaring 7 game series with an opposing team, lose and then join them in the offseason? That's the part I can't wrap my head around. It'd make you think a whole lot less of him as a competitor.
 
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