23-24 Trade Deadline: What Can Koby Cook Up? (Kitchen Is Closed)

[mds]

That's the billion dollar question. There has to be some under-appreciated big wing out there someplace?

I'd say zillions of dollars of scouting departments probably have some idea, but 30 teams in the league want the same kind of player so it isn't that easy to just find one or we already would have.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I love the idea of getting Tillie from Memphis. He is a really good backup option at big and would round out our big man lineup well

File this one under: I know I'm losing most of you...

But leading up to the 2020 draft, I really liked Killian. We had great success with Lamar Stevens and Dean Wade two years in a row with two-way contracts. I noticed Tillie had very similar college numbers as Wade. A stretch five seemed like a fun stash.

However, Memphis just traded their veteran center. I don't know if a third stringer about to get his big break to sneak onto the floor for twelve minutes a night is a trade deadline target. The new stretch five is the Mobley family.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Curious who that player would/could be. Seems everyone wants someone to guard the best wings in the NBA and hit a 3.

That is herb jones. But the cost is too high

 

[DanielHSSports]

What about Charlotte's PJ Washington as a trade candidate? I'm not sure if the Cavs could really afford him but he brings size and length and can even play the five

 

[adam81king]

There's a lot of talk about lateral, or *slight* upgrades. I can't see the Cavaliers making a move for a guy that isn't gonna change the calculus of the team, or would have a hard time supplanting guys that are already here (non-starters).

Koby needs to consolidate assets and think about trading 4 quarters for $1. Everyone talks about their guys not playing enough, and thats because there's almost too much depth. Collecting some of those guys and aiming high is what will truly help this team, not shuffling chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Ethan]

What about Charlotte's PJ Washington as a trade candidate? I'm not sure if the Cavs could really afford him but he brings size and length and can even play the five

Smaller and Twice the price of Wade.
While being less efficient. Dont want.

 

[mds]

There's a lot of talk about lateral, or *slight* upgrades. I can't see the Cavaliers making a move for a guy that isn't gonna change the calculus of the team, or would have a hard time supplanting guys that are already here (non-starters).

Koby needs to consolidate assets and think about trading 4 quarters for $1. Everyone talks about their guys not playing enough, and thats because there's almost too much depth. Collecting some of those guys and aiming high is what will truly help this team, not shuffling chairs on the Titanic.

Agreed, but easier said than done.

 

[buzzdog]

Agreed, but easier said than done.

So, it's impossible, right? That's what you're saying?

I like a lot of what Altman has done but when you're only shopping in the bargain bin you may end up with some good stuff but everything is mismatched. That's where we're at. We snag Mitchell because he just happened to be the only legit high end star who unexpectedly became available for a price we could meet. JA was a bargain who fell into our laps. Mobley fell to our spot, incompetence by the teams ahead of us in that draft. Garland was available because of being undersized plus injury plus no track record. Wade a G-leaguer we developed, Okoro a tweener, LeVert a tweener who's been passed around the league.

Nothing but parts and pieces with zero regard for fit or roster construction. Now there's immense and unique talent and skills in those parts and pieces, but the fit is the struggle.

I still refuse to believe that there isn't a single unpolished diamond or two who could fill our lack of depth and fit at the swing forward and stretch center spots without cutting to the bone in what talent we do have. It's Altman's job to figure it out.

 

[avs2000]

So, it's impossible, right? That's what you're saying?

I like a lot of what Altman has done but when you're only shopping in the bargain bin you may end up with some good stuff but everything is mismatched. That's where we're at. We snag Mitchell because he just happened to be the only legit high end star who unexpectedly became available for a price we could meet. JA was a bargain who fell into our laps. Mobley fell to our spot, incompetence by the teams ahead of us in that draft. Garland was available because of being undersized plus injury plus no track record. Wade a G-leaguer we developed, Okoro a tweener, LeVert a tweener who's been passed around the league.

Nothing but parts and pieces with zero regard for fit or roster construction. Now there's immense and unique talent and skills in those parts and pieces, but the fit is the struggle.

I still refuse to believe that there isn't a single unpolished diamond or two who could fill our lack of depth and fit at the swing forward and stretch center spots without cutting to the bone in what talent we do have. It's Altman's job to figure it out.

to do that we have t give up a unpolished diamond we have. Merrill ?. Okoro, Wade,? Who you willing to give up ? I am fine if we do nothing
Merrill is a non starter to me, he aint going anywhere. Okoro and Wade are lock down defenders, I want them come playoff time. I love cpj, our other unpolished diamond but he is not bringing anything back on his own so we would have to add him to wade or okoro. Not willing to do that.

Levert is the one player that has value that could be moved. Add the moeny we have saved from ricky and you might be able to get a piece

 

[mds]

So, it's impossible, right? That's what you're saying?

No, that’s not what I’m saying.

 

[Boobie4Three]

Get us a tall young 6'8" 225lb wing with great defense and a superb outside shot and court awareness for team ball. Oh and don't give up any of our quality role players that finally know how to play together with good chemistry.

Honeslty standing pat with our role players is probably the play here. They are playing well together, setting screens, moving, passing. The ideal player we need is not there for what we are willing to give up in terms of guards and wings.

I like Levert, I like Merrill, I like Niang, Okoro, Wade, and CPJ. We will sign CPJ to a 3 yr 10 mil deal. But in addition to Strus, Garland, and Mitchell, that's a lot of guards. There is rotational space if we continue to treat Wade and Niang as modern day stretch 4s.

What we do actually need is to sign a vet 6'10" 250+ 4/5 with defense and respectable midrange. I don't know if we have a roster spot. Levert is probably the casualty to bring back a strong big talent now that we have Garland to do ball duties when Mitchell is out. Levert's ability to create action and shots when we have an offensive drought is very needed though, especially if DG goes down again. We need that slasher in the playoffs. So instead of going for upgraded big, let's just go cheap bargain bin filler big and keep Levert and the depth.

Otherwise, in conclusion, we are good.

 

[2 For The Brew]

So, it's impossible, right? That's what you're saying?

I like a lot of what Altman has done but when you're only shopping in the bargain bin you may end up with some good stuff but everything is mismatched. That's where we're at. We snag Mitchell because he just happened to be the only legit high end star who unexpectedly became available for a price we could meet. JA was a bargain who fell into our laps. Mobley fell to our spot, incompetence by the teams ahead of us in that draft. Garland was available because of being undersized plus injury plus no track record. Wade a G-leaguer we developed, Okoro a tweener, LeVert a tweener who's been passed around the league.

Nothing but parts and pieces with zero regard for fit or roster construction. Now there's immense and unique talent and skills in those parts and pieces, but the fit is the struggle.

I still refuse to believe that there isn't a single unpolished diamond or two who could fill our lack of depth and fit at the swing forward and stretch center spots without cutting to the bone in what talent we do have. It's Altman's job to figure it out.

0%.

“Easier said than done” does not mean “impossible”.

I wouldn’t call Mitchell a “bargain bin” acquisition. We gave up Markkanen, Sexton, Ochai and a bunch of firsts and first swaps.

Neither Allen nor Mobley “fell” to us. Both were Koby targets, and he got Mitchell and Allen because he worked his relationships in the NBA and he’s damn good at spotting talent. He still had to draft Mobley (for example he could have taken Barnes). He selected Garland ahead of other options.

As far as “zero” regard for roster fit or construction - that’s just silly. He drafted Okoro because he wanted a defensive player to balance our roster (and that defense has helped us win games). He saw we needed shooting so he went and got Strus and Niang. He picked up TT to give us some locker room presence and a physical guy in the middle. We actually have a roster with players having diverse skill sets (except to some extent DG /DM and JA/EV).

Sure he drafted Garland when we had Sexton but that was a smart decision and he used Sexton and Lauri (another guy he got at a good price) in the Mitchell trade. The fact we had Garland was no reason not to get Mitchell. If it doesn’t work we can make a trade.

And when we drafted Mobley we already had Allen. Now people can fairly claim Barnes was and is a better fit but Mobley was considered the BPA. Again, if you have talent and fit is bad you can trade him (or Allen).

Koby has a track record of finding good picks, good free agents, UDFAs who make good, and bundling parts to get better via trades. I think he’ll figure it out but the claim he gives zero thought to fit or roster construction is unsupported by the available evidence.

Finally the “refuse to believe” is your article of faith that there are players out there that Koby is just missing. You don’t identify any of these players because you believe. That’s fine for you, but if you’re going to indict Koby for missing wings and stretch centers then I suspect you might have trouble convince the judge to deny a motion to dismiss your case for lack of evidence.

 

[buzzdog]

0%.

“Easier said than done” does not mean “impossible”.

I wouldn’t call Mitchell a “bargain bin” acquisition. We gave up Markkanen, Sexton, Ochai and a bunch of firsts and first swaps.

Neither Allen nor Mobley “fell” to us. Both were Koby targets, and he got Mitchell and Allen because he worked his relationships in the NBA and he’s damn good at spotting talent. He still had to draft Mobley (for example he could have taken Barnes). He selected Garland ahead of other options.

As far as “zero” regard for roster fit or construction - that’s just silly. He drafted Okoro because he wanted a defensive player to balance our roster (and that defense has helped us win games). He saw we needed shooting so he went and got Strus and Niang. He picked up TT to give us some locker room presence and a physical guy in the middle. We actually have a roster with players having diverse skill sets (except to some extent DG /DM and JA/EV).

Sure he drafted Garland when we had Sexton but that was a smart decision and he used Sexton and Lauri (another guy he got at a good price) in the Mitchell trade. The fact we had Garland was no reason not to get Mitchell. If it doesn’t work we can make a trade.

And when we drafted Mobley we already had Allen. Now people can fairly claim Barnes was and is a better fit but Mobley was considered the BPA. Again, if you have talent and fit is bad you can trade him (or Allen).

Koby has a track record of finding good picks, good free agents, UDFAs who make good, and bundling parts to get better via trades. I think he’ll figure it out but the claim he gives zero thought to fit or roster construction is unsupported by the available evidence.

Finally the “refuse to believe” is your article of faith that there are players out there that Koby is just missing. You don’t identify any of these players because you believe. That’s fine for you, but if you’re going to indict Koby for missing wings and stretch centers then I suspect you might have trouble convince the judge to deny a motion to dismiss your case for lack of evidence.

Thanks for the response, Mrs. Altman.

 

[buzzdog]

0%.

“Easier said than done” does not mean “impossible”.

I'm the one saying it shouldn't be impossible. Others are saying it's highly improbable/unlikely/just short of impossible.

I wouldn’t call Mitchell a “bargain bin” acquisition. We gave up Markkanen, Sexton, Ochai and a bunch of firsts and first swaps.

I said Mitchell is a high end star for whom we could meet the price. Nothing bargain bin about him but it's not like we built a team around him, he showed up here because of Utah blowing their roster up. And not many around the league predicted he would end up here other than Ben. He was supposed to be a Knick. So there was s considerable luck involved.

Neither Allen nor Mobley “fell” to us. Both were Koby targets, and he got Mitchell and Allen because he worked his relationships in the NBA and he’s damn good at spotting talent. He still had to draft Mobley (for example he could have taken Barnes). He selected Garland ahead of other options.

Mobley should have been drafted higher. JA was spun off to facilitate a bigger trade. Right time/right place, not exactly part of a long term master plan, but I'll take it. All of it.

As far as “zero” regard for roster fit or construction - that’s just silly. He drafted Okoro because he wanted a defensive player to balance our roster (and that defense has helped us win games). He saw we needed shooting so he went and got Strus and Niang. He picked up TT to give us some locker room presence and a physical guy in the middle. We actually have a roster with players having diverse skill sets (except to some extent DG /DM and JA/EV).

2 undersized guards. 2 non-shooting bigs. Zero true prototype wing players, all tweeners. I rest my case on that one.

Sure he drafted Garland when we had Sexton but that was a smart decision and he used Sexton and Lauri (another guy he got at a good price) in the Mitchell trade. The fact we had Garland was no reason not to get Mitchell. If it doesn’t work we can make a trade.

Again, see "2 undersized guards".

And when we drafted Mobley we already had Allen. Now people can fairly claim Barnes was and is a better fit but Mobley was considered the BPA. Again, if you have talent and fit is bad you can trade him (or Allen).

Koby has a track record of finding good picks, good free agents, UDFAs who make good, and bundling parts to get better via trades. I think he’ll figure it out but the claim he gives zero thought to fit or roster construction is unsupported by the available evidence.

Koby has a track record of collecting undersized guards and tweeners. Regardless Koby has assembled an impressive amount of talent on this roster, so kudos to him. I love Donovan and JA. Having those guys alone gets Koby a pass with me. For me the jury is still out on the rest. I liked our off season moves.

Finally the “refuse to believe” is your article of faith that there are players out there that Koby is just missing. You don’t identify any of these players because you believe. That’s fine for you, but if you’re going to indict Koby for missing wings and stretch centers then I suspect you might have trouble convince the judge to deny a motion to dismiss your case for lack of evidence.

I don't follow the league closely enough to identify potential targets, so guilty as charged. That doesn't let Koby off the hook though. I'm still waiting for the last 2 pieces this team needs to contend at the highest level.

 

[Melancholy Jaques]

There's a lot of talk about lateral, or *slight* upgrades. I can't see the Cavaliers making a move for a guy that isn't gonna change the calculus of the team, or would have a hard time supplanting guys that are already here (non-starters).

Koby needs to consolidate assets and think about trading 4 quarters for $1. Everyone talks about their guys not playing enough, and thats because there's almost too much depth. Collecting some of those guys and aiming high is what will truly help this team, not shuffling chairs on the Titanic.

In the ancient days in Cleveland, 4 quarters for $1 trade proposals were a staple of Pete Franklin's show. They are usually fantasies, unless the $1 player is one that his team wants to get rid of for reasons other than how well he can play.

I think it's better to trade question marks for question marks. Hope to get lucky. Like the trade that brought JR & Shumpert. Or Clarkson & Larry Nance Jr.