Cavs (and the Sixers) bid farewell to Earl Clark

[cavfanintexas]

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lol really.......Jones and Casspi would have never saw the floor from anywhere but the bench on the Lakers team last season.

I think that is what I was getting at

 

[cavfanintexas]

Re: My Name Is Earl ... Clark?

So whould we have given Casspi a second chance as well? He's young and Byron Scott had him in the dog house.

Do you have a problem with me?

 

[Los216]

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Do you have a problem with me?

no?...... I just think we know what we have in Gee and CJ and Earl Clark can give you more

 

[cavfanintexas]

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no?...... I just think we know what we have in Gee and CJ and Earl Clark can give you more

If you go back and look at some of my post you will see I wanted Earl Clark

 

[Los216]

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If you go back and look at some of my post you will see I wanted Earl Clark

but you can't keep CJ and sign Earl Clark. You said you weren't ready to give up on CJ no?

 

[Soar]

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but you can't keep CJ and sign Earl Clark. You said you weren't ready to give up on CJ no?

I don't think C.J. Miles should prevent any signings.

 

[Goldin Brown]

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We're really not set at all at the SF position. Clark is just a guy with good size, athleticism and a decent stroke. He performed pretty well when given the opportunity with the Lakers last year and he's still pretty young. Probably just a guy that they like who can provide some competition, nothing really to hate here...unless we overpay him or some shit.

 

[CornerThree]

Re: My Name Is Earl ... Clark?

Plus all of training camp and preseason. Certainly long enough to know if he wants him on the team.

In that case, the 20 minutes Earl played total speak volumes.

 

[kovanovich]

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Anyone remember how Gee had one good season after years of awfulness and then we threw money at him and he promptly started sucking again?

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

Not entirely fair to Clark to blame him for Alonzo Gee's performance last year...

The amount of money thrown at Gee was minimal and it was for only two years. Some speculated he was going to get in the neighborhood of 4 yrs/$16M, and he ended up getting two years (guaranteed) and $6.5M. So if re-signing Gee was a mistake, it was a very minor one. Would you have preferred seeing Miles or Casspi playing more minutes at SF last year?

A good argument against Clark is that offensively he was most effective as a stretch 4. If I am not mistaken, it was when he started playing more SF, after Gasol returned to the lineup, that his shooting efficiency started to fall off (Pre All Star game: 47%/40% on 3s; post all star game: 40%/29% on 3s).

That said, he can defend the 3 and 4, and does provide some needed size to the team. We know how Mike Brown likes length on the perimeter. Even more to the point, Clark is actually interested in meeting with the Cavs. It's not as if the Cavs have their choice of FAs out there. Plus, if the Cavs sign him, it's safe to assume it will be on their terms, and won't impact their 2014 plans. This likely means a sizable one year contract or something similar.

Plus, Clark may be a backup plan in the event that some other SF option doesn't materialize. It has already been reported that Grant has been inquiring into the availability of veteran SFs.

 

[Nathan S]

Re: My Name Is Earl ... Clark?

Not entirely fair to Clark to blame him for Alonzo Gee's performance last year...

The amount of money thrown at Gee was minimal and it was for only two years. Some speculated he was going to get in the neighborhood of 4 yrs/$16M, and he ended up getting two years (guaranteed) and $6.5M. So if re-signing Gee was a mistake, it was a very minor one. Would you have preferred seeing Miles or Casspi playing more minutes at SF last year?

A good argument against Clark is that offensively he was most effective as a stretch 4. If I am not mistaken, it was when he started playing more SF, after Gasol returned to the lineup, that his shooting efficiency started to fall off (Pre All Star game: 47%/40% on 3s; post all star game: 40%/29% on 3s).

That said, he can defend the 3 and 4, and does provide some needed size to the team. We know how Mike Brown likes length on the perimeter. Even more to the point, Clark is actually interested in meeting with the Cavs. It's not as if the Cavs have their choice of FAs out there. Plus, if the Cavs sign him, it's safe to assume it will be on their terms, and won't impact their 2014 plans. This likely means a sizable one year contract or something similar.

Plus, Clark may be a backup plan in the event that some other SF option doesn't materialize. It has already been reported that Grant has been inquiring into the availability of veteran SFs.

I agree that giving Gee a contract wasn't a big mistake, but I'm not a big fan of signing another player who seems to have a similarly low talent level. Are we going to get the pre-All-Star game version of Clark who looked like a good roleplayer? Or are we going to get the end-of-the-bench scrub version of Clark who didn't look like an NBA player at all? I have a feeling that good half season was just a flash in the pan and his other 3 1/2 seasons are a better representation of who he really is.

 

[Los216]

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I agree that giving Gee a contract wasn't a big mistake, but I'm not a big fan of signing another player who seems to have a similarly low talent level. Are we going to get the pre-All-Star game version of Clark who looked like a good roleplayer? Or are we going to get the end-of-the-bench scrub version of Clark who didn't look like an NBA player at all? I have a feeling that good half season was just a flash in the pan and his other 3 1/2 seasons are a better representation of who he really is.

What are we gonna get from Gee?

 

[Nathan S]

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What are we gonna get from Gee?

How about an analogy...



Me: My car is broken. I need a working car so I can get where I want to go.

You: Why not buy another broken car? This one doesn't look any worse than the one you have right now, and if you buy it you'll have two broken cars!

Me: No, I don't think you understand. I don't want any broken cars. I want a working car because I'm trying to go somewhere.

 

[cavfanintexas]

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How about an analogy...



Me: My car is broken. I need a working car so I can get where I want to go.



You: Why not buy another broken car? This one doesn't look any worse than the one you have right now, and if you buy it you'll have two broken cars!

Me: No, I don't think you understand. I don't want any broken cars. I want a working car because I'm trying to go somewhere.

what if you take both broken cars and use the parts that work to make a car that will last a year.
Gee Miles and Clark will be useful bench players something we did not have at the beginning of last year
and something we are going to need if we are going to win more games than we lose. Yes we need a starting SF that is more than a minor upgrade and I bet we end up with one this summer. I don't want a bench this year that give away games like last year.

 

[I'mWithDan]

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How about an analogy...

Me: My car is broken. I need a working car so I can get where I want to go.

You: Why not buy another broken car? This one doesn't look any worse than the one you have right now, and if you buy it you'll have two broken cars!

Me: No, I don't think you understand. I don't want any broken cars. I want a working car because I'm trying to go somewhere.

Sure but what is the next best alternative at the 3?

Clark is one of the only FA's at Small Forward who is still young enough to expect a post signing improvement.

Everyone else is on their last legs or a retread stuck in neutral.

Wouldn't love Clark, wouldn't hate him. He'd provide depth at a position where we have no reliable backup and he's talented enough to beat out Gee for a starting spot.

If the price is right, take him and try to coach him up.

 

[Los216]

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Sure but what is the next best alternative at the 3?

Clark is one of the only FA's at Small Forward who is still young enough to expect a post signing improvement.

Everyone else is on their last legs or a retread stuck in neutral.

Wouldn't love Clark, wouldn't hate him. He'd provide depth at a position where we have no reliable backup and he's talented enough to beat out Gee for a starting spot.

If the price is right, take him and try to coach him up.

agreed