Haslem set to meet with Cavs soon.

[d3]

I would take the 5 year 33 mill deal in a heart beat , im not sure but i think thats around 6-7 mill a year... im sure Drew will damand somewhere there next year.

edit: And since haslem is a better overall player then drew, i'd like to see him here instead of dgood

 

[E-Light]

Haslem? there are better power forwards on the market them him. If we bring haslem in say bye to gooden. I wonder if haslem would be able to keep AV on the bench, gooden surely couldn't.

 

[PIP]

Haslem? there are better power forwards on the market them him. If we bring haslem in say bye to gooden. I wonder if haslem would be able to keep AV on the bench, gooden surely couldn't.

but he fits a need

interior toughness.. better defender and rebounder (about the same amount of boards as drew).. drew and "z" cannot play on the front line together..

plus he can get you between 10-15 points on any given night.

 

[FlyerTE]

are Z and saras pretty much locks to be signed? Everyone keeps including them in the lineup like they are?

 

[E-Light]

but he fits a need

interior toughness.. better defender and rebounder (about the same amount of boards as drew).. drew and "z" cannot play on the front line together..

plus he can get you between 10-15 points on any given night.

He fits a need alright. He's Av with out as much potential. These guys are a dime a dozen. I wouldn't commit big dollars in the power forward position.

5 year 33 million for haslem :thumbdown That almost 7 million a year on average, and he's only a pf. No versatility. I don't like the signing. Especially for that much. That money can be better spent.

This guys game will be dependant on Z's. He's a role player. Role players don't get 7 million on average a year. Over spending for impact players is okay, but not role players, who will be splitting minutes with Anderson. We can fill the role of added toughness through the vet. minimum goons.

 

[NarlCavs]

The Cavs reportedly want a more defensive minded rebounding type of PF. Haslem fits the bill. Gooden has more raw talent and did put up better numbers but his inconsistentcy and desire to be a scorer might make Haslem a better fit with the team the Cavs are trying to put together.

Gooden is also probably the Cavs most tradeable commodity right now. If Haslem is signed than Gooden can be used to fill other holes or even to help replenish some lost draft picks. Also, remember Gooden is up for a contract extension next year. The Cavs might not be willing to commit a big long term contract to him.
I think Haslem at 5 years and $33 million is a fair deal for a solid starting PF.

 

[RichOne]

we could of just signed tractor for cheap and i would of been satisfied with that rather than waste money on haslem...

 

[PIP]

He fits a need alright. He's Av with out as much potential. These guys are a dime a dozen. I wouldn't commit big dollars in the power forward position.

5 year 33 million for haslem :thumbdown That almost 7 million a year on average, and he's only a pf. No versatility. I don't like the signing. Especially for that much. That money can be better spent.

This guys game will be dependant on Z's. He's a role player. Role players don't get 7 million on average a year. Over spending for impact players is okay, but not role players, who will be splitting minutes with Anderson. We can fill the role of added toughness through the vet. minimum goons.

that's a great point.. and i love AV, i really do- but he lacks the strength to bang inside- that's why he's always gambling on "d" to get an advantage with his hustle.. I LOVE IT...

all that gambling though eventually leads to the whistle blown in his direction ( thus, leading to the constant dumb ass look on his face ("what did i do") with his palms to the sky. (av needs to keep himself on the floor)
but haslem reminds me of a tempered danny fortson (who i love as a player) so maybe that's why i'm all for it..

btw (lebron needs to quit crying about every foul call as well)

 

[E-Light]

that's a great point.. and i love AV, i really do- but he lacks the strength to bang inside- that's why he's always gambling on "d" to get an advantage with his hustle.. I LOVE IT...

all that gambling though eventually leads to the whistle blown in his direction ( thus, leading to the constant dumb ass look on his face ("what did i do") with his palms to the sky. (av needs to keep himself on the floor)
but haslem reminds me of a tempered danny fortson (who i love as a player) so maybe that's why i'm all for it..

btw (lebron needs to quit crying about every foul call as well)

though I do feel AV'd put up close to a double double if he was the starter, and allowed to play through his mistakes[as well as challenge for a spot on the all defensive team in a few years], I realize it's better to bring AV along slow and groom him wisely. But I do firmly believe that AV is the PF of the future, especially if Z is still around. While AV can be a foul machine, with experience/bigger minutes he will learn as all players do to curb his enthusiasm, cutting down his fouls. I thought he got better as the year went on with not commiting so many silly fouls.

Back to central topic. As a player I realize haslem is a good fit for Z, he's a hustler, he gets physical, he's heady, and he won't try and throw a leaping behind the back pass off the glass to a trailing jeff mcinnes, and he would bring some attitude to our front line, however, haslem is under sized for pf, which cuts into his potential, and his abilities on the court. He's thick, and strong, but his lack of height holds back a lot of his ability, he won't stop anyone from scoring on him, as they can just shoot over him. He's best in rotation, and maintaining his presence high.

My only real problem is his contract. In time we will be mad that we signed him to that big a deal. As anderson will be pushing haslem, and taking a large chunk of his minutes. That 7 million a year will be spending a lot of time on the bench when it could have been spent on a bigger area of need. Such as a 3 point shooter from the 4 posiiton who can still defend, and rebound. Or a player with the versatility to play center, and power forward.

I realize we have to get who we can get but I still maintain my preferences, even though they may be unrealistic.

 

[ColumbusCavsFan5]

If you look at our current roster, we have Gooden and Varajeo with a project player in Martynas..... that's it.

It didn't really occur to me that we are really short stacked when it comes to big men. Haslem could just be replacement for Tractor. In that case if we still have the money to resign Z and get a PG, I think this could actually be a good signing, but thats ONLY if we still have the money to get Z and a PG. Although this would mean that Gooden or Varejao would be coming in as a back up Center, which I don't think would work to especially well. Which leads me back to my first belief that all the talk about Haslem means Drew is potentially on the trading block, and like I've said before... we shouldn't be trading him away quite yet. I really wish I knew what Ferry was thinking with these Haslem talks, but oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. In the end I personally hope we don't sign Haslem as much as I like him as a player, simply because most of the scenarios that would come out of that signing I don't particulary like.

 

[CleveRocks]

Don't think this is the right move. He looks great next to Shaq, but I don't think he gets challenged much because of that. He is three inches shorter and 20 lbs lighter than Goober. I think we want a big body PF, because we are going to need fouls when we play Miami..

 

[Karma]

We need a phsical presense. Didn't you guys get sick of seeing Gooden get overpowered in the post. Varejao also gets pushed around and doesn't know how to control his body to stay out of foul trouble. This is why they want a big body, and one that knows how to use it. Quite simple.

 

[LyXo]

Don't think this is the right move. He looks great next to Shaq, but I don't think he gets challenged much because of that. He is three inches shorter and 20 lbs lighter than Goober. I think we want a big body PF, because we are going to need fouls when we play Miami..

Gooden is 6'9, 242
Haslem is 6'8, 228

It seems odd then... Haslem is a better bruiser in the middle, but is an inch shorter and 20 pounds lighter. Drew never showed that toughness in the paint that we now need.

Haslem would be a good pickup, but I'd rather get Cliff Robinson, Donyell Marshall, or even Shareef Abdur-Rahim with this money.

 

[cdt]

Yea but SAR wants touches, we can't commit to players who want so much on the offensive end...Haslem will takethe 6 mill or so rip down a bunch of boards hit teh shots he gets and just hustles never complains bangs around down there.

 

[LyXo]

Yea but SAR wants touches, we can't commit to players who want so much on the offensive end...Haslem will takethe 6 mill or so rip down a bunch of boards hit teh shots he gets and just hustles never complains bangs around down there.

True, didn't get to think about that yet.
A lineup of:
Z
SAR
LeBron
Hughes
Saras

Would be a great lineup on paper with 5 all-star calibur players, but no defense and too many options offensively.

But Cliff Robinson would be great off the bench: good perimeter shot to help off the bench, good defense (All defensive 2nd team in 2000, 2002), and will come at the same price as Haslem. And, he can play center thanks to his 6-10 240 frame solving a big man problem.
He's the Cav Killer, sure. But that seemed to be the recurring theme for us with shooting big men: Austin Croshere, Cliff, Donyell, etc.

Donyell wouldn't be so bad either.

But do these guys fit what we want at the 4? Off the bench, yes. But what about the Drew Gooden problem? Lack of help defense and toughness will be a huge factor in his departure from the starting lineup or even the team. What will we do with him? If we sign Haslem in the near future, it seems likely that we'll relegate Drew to the bench, sign a shooting PG like Saras, sign 2 players from our summer league and call it an offseason. But if we're looking to trade Gooden, then it becomes a different story.

What happens if Miami is forced to a sign and trade? Gooden + Sasha for Haslem. Worst trade ever, you may say, but stop and think about it for a hot second. It's lopsided towards Miami talent-wise, yes. But instead of spending that 5.5 million on a player, we're getting rid of guys that don't really fit in our system for someone that does. Seeing the development of Luke, Sasha will see less and less time and will be expendable. Drew won't be happy coming off the bench after 20 games. He took it for 1 last season, but I don't know how he'll be for a stretch, especially during a contract year.
So, after this trade, we'll still have ~16 million to work with. But this time it's only for a PG, starter or backup, and a backup F/C.

Thoughts?