Let it all out. The Cavaliers Rant Thread

[inliner311]

Cavs don't have much control over their own first round picks for 2025 to 2029, so tanking isn't really an option unless you are a Jazz fan,.

This is basically why the Cavs have to be smart with what they do next. I feel like they have to fire both JBB and Koby because if you just fire JBB, Koby is going to feel like he is in the hot seat and make short term moves to save his job. I'd rather have a new GM and coach that feels like they got a little bit of time to sort stuff out. We got to get max value in assets or the proper trades with players or the combo of both with any trade we do especially when it comes to Mitchell. We can't just take the best offer on the table because our President or GM feel like they are under a timer to fix everything.

 

[bushwick_bill]

Well it’s pretty unlikely we find out this year, but not impossibly, however I’ll say I don’t really put much stock into the regular season results. Like was questioned in that clip you posted above, I think the Cavs have built an 82 game roster rather than a 16 one. The Cavs have given the Magic a ton of open looks. In games 1 and 2 they bricked them. In the last 2, they made them. The Cavs I believe are the only team to not break 100 points this postseason, and it’s not been for lack of looks. I genuinely don’t know how we would keep up with the pacers offense, but hopefully we find out in ECF

ETA: Pels also haven’t scored 100

Who knows... Pacers also do not play defense and the Magic are one of the better teams in the NBA defensively. I believe might be top 3 since like Jan 1st... I am one of the few still holding out we win this series against the Magic just giving you that heads up lol lol lol

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Who knows... Pacers also do not play defense and the Magic are one of the better teams in the NBA defensively. I believe might be top 3 since like Jan 1st... I am one of the few still holding out we win this series against the Magic just giving you that heads up lol lol lol

I also think we will beat the Magic. I think no road team will win a game this series personally. Cavs in 7 then worry about the rest later!

 

[Kouki]

I didn’t have “if only we had retained 6th man Collin Sexton” in my Cavs bingo card but it you did hats off to you..

Things in the review mirror are always more attractive to some then they are actually attractive in reality..

If you’re clinging to Collin, you’re clinging to the wrong thing..

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[bushwick_bill]

 

[Dr No]

Listened to the entire Fedor podcast today. He saved it for the very end, but this was confirmation of basically everything this board says:

QUOTE: “players in the lockeroom after this game were basically saying without actually saying it. JB you need to do something to create better looks for us on the offensive end”

THE PLAYERS KNOW THIS GUY SUCKS.

A number of our guys have looked like they don’t believe in their coach pretty much all year. If it looks like the stars don’t want to play for him, and it now sounds like the stars don’t want to play for him, I think there’s a really good chance the players are done with him. And in the NBA, that spells the end of your employment. We will see how we compete in the next 2 games, but I think there is a very good chance the JBB era is about to end

 

[Deezus]

Cavs don't have much control over their own first round picks for 2025 to 2029, so tanking isn't really an option unless you are a Jazz fan,.

I think a desperate team could (and will) trade for Donovan in a S+T.

Or... if his value is THAT diminished after the last 2 postseasons, sign him to the extension, let him build back up his value, then trade him at the deadline for picks or better fit style of players.

To be clear - I'm not in the "blow it all up" mindset at all! I just think we need to blow up the current core-4 for a better fit (even if we beat Orlando!) We can absolutely recoup picks by trading 1 or 2 of these guys... or, hell, trading 1-2 of them for a better fit personnel-wise. I understand that this requires another team that is willing and the right players in return, but I think its a very logical way to go.

TLDR - I want a RESET, not a TANK!

 

[Deezus]

He said they had ONE good win. Even in this age of misinformation that wasn't accurate.

Being honest: I didn't read the post you replied to. That is my bad!

Still though, does it change the overall point for you? If we tack on 3 more "quality" wins during that 20 game stretch, do they suddenly make the 18-2 run more legit?

Also... if we're going to cherry pick stats, if we remove the 18-2 run (which has been proven to be largely against bad, tanking, or injured teams) the Cavs were 30-32 the rest of the season.




The winter run was fool's gold and @The Oi put it perfectly with @RchfldCavRaised on their pod! -> JBB can drive the Honda Accord wonderfully. Give him keys to the Ferrari and he's wrecking that shit into the nearest median.

 

[inliner311]

None of those pairing are both those teams top 2 players. One of the players might be one of their top 2 player, in some instances like Boston neither are. Those teams can go to bigger lineups without taking out one of their top 2 players, the Cavs can't.

 

[cavsfever]

Just listen to this interview... All there... Clear to me...

Poor Max looks so miserable and broken. Looks like he’s being interrogated about a felony crime or something.

 

[bushwick_bill]

Being honest: I didn't read the post you replied to! That is my bad!

Still though, does it change the overall point for you? If we tack on 3 more wins, do they suddenly make the 18-2 run more legit?

Also... if we're going to cherry pick stats, if we remove the 18-2 run (which has been proven to be largely against bad, tanking, or injured teams) the Cavs were 30-32 the rest of the season.

We can do this with a lot of playoff teams.

 

[Deezus]

We can do this with a lot of playoff teams.

Examples, pls... and please be sure to correlate those to the playoff team's success (or lack thereof) in a 1.5 postseason series context.

 

[cavsfever]

Being honest: I didn't read the post you replied to! That is my bad!

Still though, does it change the overall point for you? If we tack on 3 more wins, do they suddenly make the 18-2 run more legit?

Also... if we're going to cherry pick stats, if we remove the 18-2 run (which has been proven to be largely against bad, tanking, or injured teams) the Cavs were 30-32 the rest of the season.




The winter run was fool's gold and @The Oi put it perfectly with @RchfldCavRaised on their pod! -> JBB can drive the Honda Accord wonderfully. Give him keys to the Ferrari and he's wrecking that shit into the nearest median.

The 18-2 run included five quality wins - Sacramento, Orlando, the Clippers, and 2*Milwaukee

I agree it doesn’t let JBB or this team off the hook at all but there were reasons at the time to think it was real

 

[Jscc]

lol - what?

That is also simply not true. He pretty much has said in a bunch of his podcasts that I have listened to that the front office wants to see what this team can do healthy and all the way through this season. He has brought up the banter of JBB being fired etc...
Koby has also stressed patience (right or wrong) and this is the second season with Don and it went off the rails with injuries...Again the team finished with what 48 wins and it came down to the final game of the season to get the two seed somehow while the starting unit played like 27 games this season, that is it... Vegas had them at 50.5 wins and they punted the last game for rest and health...

What do you want him to do, bash JBB and then be in the locker room, practice facilities with JBB and his staff? lol lol lol - that is a solid way to keep your job. Have you ever listened to one of his podcasts?

Here one quick google search...

“Is coach J.B. Bickerstaff — at the center of this rebirth — a good enough tactician to help the franchise take the next step?” cleveland.com’s Chris Fedor asked in a postgame writeup.

Fedor continued by questioning nearly every aspect of Cleveland’s roster-building, cap management, and personnel decisions:

“Is investing that much in a pair of 7-footers – only to have them get pulverized by a Knicks frontcourt featuring Mitchell Robinson, Julius Randle, Obi Toppin and Cleveland castoff Isaiah Hartenstein — the best use of salary cap allocation? Is this an 82-game roster or a 16-gamer? Is building around a pair of guards a sound strategy in today’s wing-dominated NBA? Do the Cavs have the means to find a more reliable fifth starter to complement the Core 4. Is re-signing erratic Caris LeVert the proper use of financial resources?”

Did you read that article? He asks that question, never answers it, goes on to explicitly blame the players for the failures in the NY series, doesn't discuss how JBB could be better, and then ends with a quote by JBB including saying "you got to put the ball in the basket".

 

[Futuredome]

The 18-2 run included five quality wins - Sacramento, Orlando, the Clippers, and 2*Milwaukee

I agree it doesn’t let JBB or this team off the hook at all but there were reasons at the time to think it was real

quality wins during a time of the year when teams aren't focusing on winning 100% of the time. A damning statement by myself that will blow over people's head. JB's record stands