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Pryor, Posey, Herron suspended 5 Games next season

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Oh stop with the nonsense about screwing his university and fans. Maybe you can make a case for his teammates, but that's about it.

The University makes far more money off of this kid than they pay him out in scholarship. THey, along with the NCAA, pimp him out, make a boatload of money off of him, and then pretend there is some standard of integrity. Get real.

I never blamed Lebron for leaving Cleveland. His contact was up. It was a business. I simply blamed him for being an ass about it. I'm not going to blame Pryor for selling his own damn shit which somehow "screws" his University, when his university has gotten more than its fair share out of him. It's a business.

You make zero sense. You and others like-minded don't seem to get the REAL issue. This is not about the NCAA or how they make money off the players. If that is what you want to make this out to be,...... go start another thread to discuss an entirely different topic. It seems to me you are making this into how many different ways can you try to defend the indefensible. We see how you want to spin this and it's not working..... at all. Period.

nuff already.

These kids BROKE the rules. Period. You can debate how bad those rules might be but the FACT is that they broke the damn rules. They broke them willingly and with total knowledge. No one can tell me they did not know as they did know. To say they didn't know is saying these guys are clueless idiots and morons. If that is what you want to call them, fine.
 
You know, I'd agree with you if the players were allowed to have jobs to support themselves/help their family during the school season. How does one get by and/or help his family when the NCAA rules don't allow him to work either?

There is not a rule that prevents players from having jobs during the season. The problem is during the Fall the players are in full season and juggle practice and school so getting your job in fast food or retail is tough to have. The spring time teams start spring practice and morning conditioning. A common job that players would work is security guard for college bars since those were the hours that they would have free time. Also during the summer, most athletic departments work with local companies to help supply summer jobs to student athletes who need an extra buck. Some jobs were in nice air conditioned buildings, others were in the construction field, while a few people got stuck cleaning port-a-potties.
 
The thing I don't get is how can football players who love their college and love the game of football sell things that show their legacy at the school? Right their is my problem.
 
You make zero sense. You and others like-minded don't seem to get the REAL issue. This is not about the NCAA or how they make money off the players. If that is what you want to make this out to be,...... go start another thread to discuss an entirely different topic. It seems to me you are making this into how many different ways can you try to defend the indefensible. We see how you want to spin this and it's not working..... at all. Period.

nuff already.

These kids BROKE the rules. Period. You can debate how bad those rules might be but the FACT is that they broke the damn rules. They broke them willingly and with total knowledge. No one can tell me they did not know as they did know. To say they didn't know is saying these guys are clueless idiots and morons. If that is what you want to call them, fine.

and i think it should be added that the punishment probably doesnt fit the crime here, but you cant just allow shit like this to go down (this coming from a damn oklahoma fan).

i have to say though give the choice was probably be suspended for the sugar bowl or 5 games next year, because i have to say im shocked that they arent suspended for the sugar bowl.
 
How did they get caught again? I heard the tattoo guy was under investigation and the items were found at his place so feds asked OSU if they were stolen, but I never heard what he was under investigation for.

Kind of a peculiar way to get caught. I wonder what else this guy could have had going on with OSU players.
 
USC and Ohio State both possess these scumbags....Which is why I encourage all the youth I come across to consider going to a fine University such as UCLA so you don't have to be associated with these kinds of folks...
 
USC and Ohio State both possess these scumbags....Which is why I encourage all the youth I come across to consider going to a fine University such as UCLA so you don't have to be associated with these kinds of folks...

What bowl did UCLA get into this year?
 
IT'S AGAINST THE NCAA RULES!!!! YES, SOME OF THE RULES MAY SUCK...THAT DOES NOT MATTER. THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE ARE BEING ENFORCED. THEY BROKE THE DAMN RULES!!!

You are correct sir. I don't want to get overly righteous. But, I went to OSU and have always been a proud alum. IF I were talented enough to get a big ten championship ring, they'd have to pry it off of my cold dead finger. It sickens me that Pryor and the rest had so little regard for their school with their selfish conduct. They've disgraced us all and given the rest of the country plenty of ammo to use to ridicule us.
 
Meanwhile Cam Newton can't decide between the beamer, benz, or bentley.
 
I believe Bill Livingston Nails it:

Tokens of Ohio State football traditions apparently are for sale: Bill Livingston

Published: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:29 PM Updated: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 11:25 PM
By Bill Livingston, The Plain Dealer

The tradition of singing "Carmen Ohio'' after games rings hollow after revelations that quarterback Terrelle Pryor, far right, and other players sold tokens of football success, including championship rings and gold pants.

The greatest things about the Big Ten and its flagship university, Ohio State, are their traditions. Thursday the Buckeyes' fans found out how many of them were for sale.

Among the items sold by quarterback Terrelle Pryor were his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, his 2008 gold pants for beating Michigan, and his 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award. Thus, even Pryor's award for good manners turned bad. Running back Boom Herron also sold a jersey, pants and shoes.

Other players in the scandal include wide receiver DeVier Posey, offensive tackle Mike Adams, and defensive end Solomon Thomas. The NCAA suspended all five for the first five games of next season, claiming they received illegal benefits ranging from $1,000 to $2,500. All are eligible for the Jan. 4 Sugar Bowl game.

They are eligible for the bowl game because the NCAA knows no one wants to see Ohio State play Arkansas with its second-string players. It is venal and hypocritical, and you were born very recently if you didn't see that coming from the NCAA/BCS/bowls money machine.

The biggest name by far is Pryor, the most heavily recruited player in the country when he came to Ohio State in 2008 -- after first calling a news conference on national signing day to announce he was not signing.


Jim Tressel wearing a Big Ten championship ring.

With a 30-4 record as a starter, three Big Ten championships and a Rose Bowl Most Valuable Player award, he has been a very good player, just not as good as everybody thinks he should be. His bravado-filled Twitter messages certainly got in the face of his media and fan critics. His high level of faith in himself was not vindicated in some of the biggest games, though.

Athletic Director Gene Smith, setting the stage for an appeal, said the players were trying to help their struggling families in hard economic times. Smith, in fact, supports giving a stipend to the players.

But they are already getting a stipend, in the form of a free education at a major national research institution. And while working a full-time "job" in college football is tough, round-the-clock tutoring and soft-touch courses are available to scholarship athletes at almost every Division I school.

If there is going to be any demarcation at all between college football and just admitting it is an NFL D-League, the line would have to be drawn at play for pay.

While it might be easy for Ohio State to pay such an extra stipend with 105,000 seats filled for as many as eight home games each season and frequent television appearances, it is not clear how the schools outside the six power conferences could manage.

Any serious reduction in the OSU penalties is unlikely. The NCAA investigators severely punish liars. Failure to admit wrong-doing, which is the Buckeyes' sin, is close enough in their eyes.

Coach Jim Tressel could, of course, suspend all five players on his own for the Sugar Bowl. Former Arkansas coach Lou Holtz did just that with his top two running backs in 1977 against Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, then won one of his greatest victories.

That is unlikely. Tressel has usually felt NCAA punishment (Maurice Clarett, Troy Smith) is enough. His personal sanctions (a one-game suspension for quarterback choker Robert Reynolds) have often been light.

The tattoo parlor discounts, which were the first part of the scandal to become public knowledge, seem insignificant, compared to the profits the players turned as athletes. The most lasting scar will not be tats on players' bodies but the graffiti Pryor and others scrawled over the things alumni most cherish.

Traditions are the ties that bind players today to Woody Hayes' era, which began in 1951, or even to that of Francis Schmidt, who invented the gold pants charms for beating Michigan in 1934. Now we know that it is not the disarray of the Michigan program under Rich Rodriguez that has devalued gold pants, but Ohio State's quarterback who held them in such a careless grip.

"Obviously, that's very disappointing," said Tressel. "I suppose the older you are, the more you understand the difficulty of what has gone into the chance to earn these things. Perhaps when you are a little bit younger, it's not so crystal clear."

Tressel restored much of the pride in the Ohio State program that had been lost before him through Michigan and bowl game beatings. He even made the players sing the alma mater to fans after victories. It seemed hokey at first, then as success mounted, it seemed heart-warming.

Thursday made it seem like lip service.


http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2010/12/post_20.html

He didn't write about any rules broken. He wrote about tradition and why this is bad stuff. It's also why this is quite different than pawning your own furniture or your own vehicle, etc.

Bill is spot on. Some of you in here are spot off.
 
I don't care how many games it gets reduced to or what positive happens for these guys. Bottom line, Ohio State has been nothing but a vessel for them to get to the NFL or to a whole lot of ass and a nice dorm.

They don't give a shit about the Buckeyes and I really have lost the respect I had for them... Seriously, just like LBJ. No loyalty.
 
A thought; what if Pryor thinks he might be better off staying at OSU as he probably wouldn't be drafted that high this year? Braxton Miller will probably win the QB job next year for the 3 to 5 games Pryor is suspended. What if Miller is damn good and the Bucks win each game? Does Tressell sit Miller down even if he is winning and is very good? I can't see it.

Pryor could be fucked if he does and fucked if he doesn't. Serves him very right.
 
Oh stop with the nonsense about screwing his university and fans. Maybe you can make a case for his teammates, but that's about it.

The University makes far more money off of this kid than they pay him out in scholarship. THey, along with the NCAA, pimp him out, make a boatload of money off of him, and then pretend there is some standard of integrity. Get real.

I never blamed Lebron for leaving Cleveland. His contact was up. It was a business. I simply blamed him for being an ass about it. I'm not going to blame Pryor for selling his own damn shit which somehow "screws" his University, when his university has gotten more than its fair share out of him. It's a business.

When you accept a scholarship you are agreeing to follow the rules. Breaking the rules and getting suspended clearly screws the university. These are critical players that didn't live up to their end of the bargain, and are now suspended for 5 games. You can't sit there and say "well you get more out of me than I get out of you...so I dont need to follow the ruels". The rules are the rules and he broke them. Rules violations and game suspensions also has an impact on recruiting and the reputation on the school. Many times postseason play and scholarships are revoked for the actions of one player. So yes, rule breakers screw the school....just as rule breaking schools can screw the student athletes. But that doesn't appear to have happened here.

As for pimping him out? That's pure hot garbage. They are providing him a free education, housing, fame, and the university is a vehicle for him to showcase his talents and get 10's of millions of dollars at the next level. Does the school make out well in the deal? Yep.


So you think college athletes should be getting paid? How would that work? Does the 2nd string kicker get as much as the QB? Can colleges just start bidding on kids out of high school? How do the smaller schools with less money compete with the larger school? What about the schools who's sports programs are losing money? Do the kids on the bowling teams, rowing, and fencing also get paid? Do they get paid the same as football players? Does football get paid more than baseball? Where does it stop? If colleges can pay, then shouldn't high schools be allowed to as well for the next prodigy?
 
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When you accept a scholarship you are agreeing to follow the rules. Breaking the rules and getting suspended clearly screws the university. These are critical players that didn't live up to their end of the bargain, and are now suspended for 5 games. You can't sit there and say "well you get more out of me than I get out of you...so I dont need to follow the ruels". The rules are the rules and he broke them. Rules violations and game suspensions also has an impact on recruiting and the reputation on the school. Many times postseason play and scholarships are revoked for the actions of one player. So yes, rule breakers screw the school....just as rule breaking schools can screw the student athletes. But that doesn't appear to have happened here.

As for pimping him out? That's pure hot garbage. They are providing him a free education, housing, fame, and the university is a vehicle for him to showcase his talents and get 10's of millions of dollars at the next level. Does the school make out well in the deal? Yep.


So you think college athletes should be getting paid? How would that work? Does the 2nd string kicker get as much as the QB? Can colleges just start bidding on kids out of high school? How do the smaller schools with less money compete with the larger school? What about the schools who's sports programs are losing money? Do the kids on the bowling teams, rowing, and fencing also get paid? Do they get paid the same as football players? Does football get paid more than baseball? Where does it stop? If colleges can pay, then shouldn't high schools be allowed to as well for the next prodigy?

Oh stop it with your common sense approach and logic as we don't want to hear it or read it. Some here can't comprehend it, so stop it already.
 
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