Trade Deadline 2014 (discussion)

[daddywags]

Beyond the fact that team doctors recently injected his back with cortisone, what do we know about Varejao's current health status?

According to a report I just heard on the radio, he's going to miss another game tomorrow in Toronto. Anyone want to bet Andy's back within one week? Two? Three? Maybe it's just me, but I think this deal screams that Varejao is hurt more than they are letting on; we shall see. . . .

 

[Cashius X]

There's nothing wrong with having two seven footers on the roster, that can spread the floor in your rotation. Andy might be pretty badly hurt. Back spasms can be a huge deal. He might be on a minute restriction when he comes back either way.

Just Tristan, Bennett, Zeller, and not knowing what we can get out of Andy is very thin if we're trying to make the playoffs and do something.

Which is why I'm saying that the deal isn't necessarily bad, just confusing and not needed imo. I gave the deal a C in the poll.

And my grade in contingent on Andy's health as well. If he's hurt badly then the grade goes up. If not, then I it goes down as Hawes would just be taking Zeller's minutes which isn't a big upgrade imo.

 

[Los216]

In 2012 we gave up a #24,33, and 34 to aqcuire Tyler Zeller at #17.

Multiple draft picks provide the opportunity to package them and move up. A similar deal might've been available this summer had we not burned our 2nd rounders.

But that was after we already picked at 4. We can't bring in two rookies next season no matter where they're picked we are still the youngest team in the league.

 

[Alec]

A very Grant-ian move.

 

[Redzone]

People aren't too upset at giving up 2nd rounders. We all know how few of them pan out.

The bigger problem is that we gave up value for someone whom, honestly, doesn't noticeably make us any better. Spencer Hawes will end up taking Zeller's minutes. The difference between both players is marginal at best, yet we gave up up value for said player. All in all, we gave up more than we got in return.

Throw the 2nd rounders stuff out the window for a minute. This is basic economics. Why give up more than we got in return? Unless Varejao's injury is more serious than we thought this is a trade that served no purpose and didn't need to happen.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens and how he fits in. If he improves the team play, then he was worth it. If he turns into Jack and forgets how to shoot, etc., then you'll be right. But it's hard to declare a winner or loser without at least giving him time and seeing how he fits, especially with Andy ailing and aging.

 

[Cashius X]

Hawse is a better rebounder than Zeller he also blocks more shots. Also about those two 2nd rounders, who were we gonna take at picks on the 40's and what team is going to trade out of the first round of this draft to give us another 1st?

Those two 2nd rounders combined with our 1st could've allowed us to trade with another team and potentially move up a couple spots in the draft. It's not a far-fetched scenario. Deals like this happen a lot.

Also look at Zeller and Hawes' per36 numbers beforeyou reply. A lot of what you're saying is true but only because Zeller averages 18mpg while Hawes averages 30. You need to look at per36 numbers to account for the difference.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Zeller is 24 year 2

Hawse is 25 year 6

I was shocked by how young hawes is, but doesn't that illustrate how much growth zeller has in him compared to hawes?

 

[godfather]

Which is why I'm saying that the deal isn't necessarily bad, just confusing and not needed imo. I gave the deal a C in the poll.

And my grade in contingent on Andy's health as well. If he's hurt badly then the grade goes up. If not, then I it goes down as Hawes would just be taking Zeller's minutes which isn't a big upgrade imo.

I don't think the Cavs know when Andy will be back. If they want to make the playoffs, and do something, they can't go forward with just the front line that they have. Unless we seriously view Sims worth anything, and I think pretty much blows personally.

Missing extensive time over back spasms is not a good thing at all. He had to receive a cortisone injection, that's not a good sign.

 

[Nathan S]

Hawes has a 22.5 opponent PER according to 82games. Makes Kyrie look like DPOY material.

 

[Los216]

Those two 2nd rounders combined with our 1st could've allowed us to trade with another team and potentially move up a couple spots in the draft. It's not a far-fetched scenario. Deals like this happen a lot.

Also look at Zeller and Hawes' per36 numbers beforeyou reply. A lot of what you're saying is true but only because Zeller averages 18mpg while Hawes averages 30. You need to look at per36 numbers to account for the difference.

Jesus man calm down, we didn't sell the farm by trading two 2nd round picks. We still have 5 picks in the next two drafts to trade up or trade for players. Right now Hawse is a better player any way you break it down and I'm a huge Zeller supporter, I've been pushing for him to start all season

 

[Redzone]

Hawes can also play the 4. Not saying he will or very often, but let's just say they want to go big, like the Lakers did when they had Bynum, Gasol and Odom. Having two seven footers who can shoot and spread the floor, yet rebound is at least a little intriguing.

As far as depth, this is certainly a better option than Clark or Sims. On paper, the Cavs got better. How much better remains to be seen.

Besides, we don't know how Hawes will play once he undergoes the Griffin pre-game hypnotism like did the other players.

 

[Revenged25]

This is a move to get us into the playoffs this year. That is more important than anything outside of possibly bringing in another star on this team, which likely would've led to the same results but none were on the market.

As been said the Cavs need to make the playoffs so that our young talent can get the taste of it and what's needed going forward. It doesn't matter if we get swept in the first round, its all about getting there right now and Hawes does that more than 2 second rounders that aren't even on the team could even come close to. Also do you really think 2 second rounders are going to be that big in this draft in an attempt to move up? Realistically even if we stay in the lottery it'll be between 8-15 and the chances of trading up for the elite talent is non - existent. So unless we hit lottery luck again, we still would be looking at a player that we wouldn't be wanting to trade up for.

Hopefully we make the playoffs and with luck will be able to add someone will WCS at center. No offensive game really sure, but you put him with Zeller or Bennet and he's fine, same with TT with Bennett or Zeller.

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[Simon]

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After Vesley being traded :chuckles:

 

[MirORich]

Those two 2nd rounders combined with our 1st could've allowed us to trade with another team and potentially move up a couple spots in the draft. It's not a far-fetched scenario. Deals like this happen a lot.

Also look at Zeller and Hawes' per36 numbers beforeyou reply. A lot of what you're saying is true but only because Zeller averages 18mpg while Hawes averages 30. You need to look at per36 numbers to account for the difference.

A couple of second rounders packaged with your first round pick will move you up in the end and mid range of a draft. It will not move you up in the lottery. Not going to happen. Ever.

A more likely scenario is that if there is a player available in the 23-26 range that we really like, we may be able to combine the Orlando 2nd rounder with cash and perhaps a future second rounder to move back into the first to grab that targeted player.

Second rounders sometimes develop but usually on teams without that many other young players or teams that have just started to tank. We already have 8 players in their 3rd year or younger(Kyrie, TT, Dion, Zeller, Bennett, Karasev, Delly, Felix) + our first rounder in the 2014 draft + the Orlando pick. Barring a trade of some of those guys, the 2 2nd rounders we traded, there is just no need for 2 additional mid round 2nd rounders in the 2014 draft and they used them correctly to add a guy who could help in this final stretch this season and potentially re-sign or be S&T

 

[CavsFaninNJ]

What's with all the "he's just like Zeller" talk? You wouldn't have said that a few days ago.

Zeller has a few good games and all of a sudden he's as good as Hawes. Good grief.