What to do with the TPE?

[Mdog1]

I think he means use it to take on someone's contract that expires at the end of the year. When I first thought about it, it made no sense because you'd have to convince someone to let go of a potentially valuable trade chip for nothing. But... would doing a deal like that provide the other team instant cap space? Almost like an advance on the expiring contract to get in on this year's free agents? I'm not sure how that all would work, but maybe.


Edit: For instance, let's say a team like Boston really wants to get in on the Marc Gasol sweepstakes (or David West, or whoever else). But they currently owe Ray Allen $10 Million for this coming year. They also owe Jermaine O'Neal over $6 Million. We offer to absorb one of those guys with the TPE, and get their first rounder out of it. And they open up some room to try to bring in a free agent. Again though, I don't know how this CBA situation will affect all of that.

Under the current CBA it will work just like you said in your edit, and under the future CBA who cares. It literally doesn't effect the Cavs if we trade it in the next few days.

 

[UDcleveland]

In that case, I think I'd get on the phone with Boston, and tell them we'll take the shitty, but short contracts of Ray Allen and Jermaine O'Neal, give them Daniel Gibson, and see if we could milk 2 future firsts out of it. Then we'd have the expirings of Jamison, Allen, and O'Neal to use in trades or straight up come off the books. Boston gets their cap relief and a shooter to replace Allen. And we get first rounders.

 

[Smooth]

Hopefully the Cavs get an extension on the TPE because not too many teams are going to want to do anything with a new CBA pending...

The only team I could really see it worth using our TPE on is Detroit and making a Hamilton + Villanueva + picks for TPE + Jamison type of deal... Otherwise, not too many teams are going to give us too much value for the TPE...

 

[Mdog1]

In that case, I think I'd get on the phone with Boston, and tell them we'll take the shitty, but short contracts of Ray Allen and Jermaine O'Neal, give them Daniel Gibson, and see if we could milk 2 future firsts out of it. Then we'd have the expirings of Jamison, Allen, and O'Neal to use in trades or straight up come off the books. Boston gets their cap relief and a shooter to replace Allen. And we get first rounders.

I don't think we could do that. I think we would have to take Allen with the TPE and trade them Boobie + something else for JO. If we let those three expire then we could actually make a run at Dwight Howard in free agency. Now we have like a 0% chance of getting him, but we could have an interesting roster situation to offer him. A PG star, a SG/SF star (Gilchrist) and a pretty good PF with pretty good depth at the PG and the 4/5. With the players that would sign here for league min we could actually field a decent team. Ok dream over back to reality where Kyrie Irving will flop, Tristan Thompson will be a beast, but will sign with Toronto in 5 years and Chris Grant selects X over Andre Drummond in the draft. In other words back to Cleveland.

 

[Noonan]

That would be a terrible trade for New Jersey. Give away a first-round lottery pick to save a few million dollars and get Hickson? In a draft that is supposed to be extremely deep? New Jersey would be a laughing stock for making that deal.

Jersey is a fringe playoff team next season (if there is a season). They also want to show improvement to get Williams to re-sign before moving to Brooklyn. The money they save by getting rid of Morrow they can put to signing Hickson, who will be much better in the short-term (and possibly long-term) than a player taken somewhere around 15 in the 2012 draft. It's not a terrible deal for Jersey if you look at it from their perspective.

In fact, I think you can argue that getting a mid first-rounder for Hickson isn't enough of a return.

 

[Rainman]

 

[KI4MVP]

if we trade the TPE for an expiring contract, under the current CBA, the other team gets a 1 year trade exception. So they don't lose a trade asset, they save money and upgrade it.

 

[Triumph36]

In that case, I think I'd get on the phone with Boston, and tell them we'll take the shitty, but short contracts of Ray Allen and Jermaine O'Neal, give them Daniel Gibson, and see if we could milk 2 future firsts out of it. Then we'd have the expirings of Jamison, Allen, and O'Neal to use in trades or straight up come off the books. Boston gets their cap relief and a shooter to replace Allen. And we get first rounders.

so the Celtics:
1) unnecessarily cut salary
2) trade future 1sts even tho they are v old
3) get significantly worse and basically give up hopes of contending

I'm sure they'd go for that...

Hopefully the Cavs get an extension on the TPE because not too many teams are going to want to do anything with a new CBA pending...

The only team I could really see it worth using our TPE on is Detroit and making a Hamilton + Villanueva + picks for TPE + Jamison type of deal... Otherwise, not too many teams are going to give us too much value for the TPE...

Yeah, it's going to suck if they don't get an extension.

I have pretty low expectations wrt the TPE. I guess at this point I just hope they make a terrible decision with it.

 

[vandy0925]

Question for a CBA expert. Under TPE rules, if Cavs use a portion of it, is not the remaining portion given a new 12 month window until expiration? For example, if Cavs use small portion of TPE to trade for a vet minimum guy making $1 mil a year that some team doesn't want, wouldn't the remaining $13.6 mil of our TPE then expire a year from now? If so, could be nice way to artifically extend the Cavs TPE.

 

[MoFlo]

so the Celtics:
1) unnecessarily cut salary
2) trade future 1sts even tho they are v old
3) get significantly worse and basically give up hopes of contending

I'm sure they'd go for that...

Yeah, it's going to suck if they don't get an extension.

I have pretty low expectations wrt the TPE. I guess at this point I just hope they make a terrible decision with it.

I'm assuming you meant that you hope they don't make a terrible decision with it..? :chuckles:

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Question for a CBA expert. Under TPE rules, if Cavs use a portion of it, is not the remaining portion given a new 12 month window until expiration? For example, if Cavs use small portion of TPE to trade for a vet minimum guy making $1 mil a year that some team doesn't want, wouldn't the remaining $13.6 mil of our TPE then expire a year from now? If so, could be nice way to artifically extend the Cavs TPE.

No.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Question: I forget, but how is a TPE created?

 

[AMC]

Question: I forget, but how is a TPE created?

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q71

READ, #71

 

[Tornicade]

The nba should extend all tpe that expires during free agency to last 8 days into the new cba, that would give teams the benefit of potential sign and trade such as what the cavs would of had without a lockout

 

[MattyFos.]

I think the best value out of the TPE would be to piece it off.
7 mill for this guy
5 mill for that guy
Maybe 2.5 for another guy