What will your reaction be if no trade is made?

[NarlCavs]

Since some are so desperate for a trade does that mean you'd be willing to overpay to get a deal done?
I'm all for a trade and am hopeful one can get pulled off but I also understand it has to be the right trade that makes sense both now and long term. Ferry isn't going to make a trade just to make a trade.

There does appear to be some good possible options available but despite a lot of rumors and discussion here no one knows 100% exactly what it might take to get one of these trades done. Turned out the rumored trades at last year's deadline weren't as simple and would have required giving up more than originally thought.

I'd really like to see a trade for Igoudala or at least see some help added. I'm not going to panic and be completely pissed if something doesn't get done though.

 

[Triumph36]

Since some are so desperate for a trade does that mean you'd be willing to overpay to get a deal done?
I'm all for a trade and am hopeful one can get pulled off but I also understand it has to be the right trade that makes sense both now and long term. Ferry isn't going to make a trade just to make a trade.

There does appear to be some good possible options available but despite a lot of rumors and discussion here no one knows 100% exactly what it might take to get one of these trades done. Turned out the rumored trades at last year's deadline weren't as simple and would have required giving up more than originally thought.

I'd really like to see a trade for Igoudala or at least see some help added. I'm not going to panic and be completely pissed if something doesn't get done though.

I honestly don't see how we'd have to overpay, unless we're set on getting player X and only player X. And "overpaying" is also extremely subjective. Some probably consider including JJ to be overpaying for Iggy.

Remember how earlier in the season everyone was all giddy because of Z's contract and the economy? "Oh, TONS of teams are going to be willing to give us players for pennies on the dollar!" "So many teams are bleeding money, they'll want to dump good players with not-so-good contracts!" etc etc etc. People were so confident then....why not so much anymore?

We may not get our #1 option, or even our #2. Or #3 and on and on. But there will be players available who either 1) help us win now, or 2) add flexibility for the near future (aka expirings), or both; and we shouldn't pass on them.

 

[rabman_gold]

Moon is not expiring next year, he was signed to a 3 year deal. And yes, Parker is an expiring. Woah buddy, that $3M expiring contract is going to do some damage come the trade deadline! Not to mention, if we trade Parker then guess what? Hole at SG! So we move Delonte into the starting lineup, then guess what? No back court bench! That will really improve our team.

We still do not have a legitimate second option, and we won't get one with the MLE. Or with a 3 million dollar expiring contract. Or with the 20-something pick in the draft. Or with the non-existent cap space.

Moon's deal is NON-GUARANTEED the third year, a la Delonte West expiring this year.
And if we don't remove Delonte and keep him next year, he'll be an expiring next to Jamario.
Anthony Parker is also an expiring, as you said. Powe, Jackson, Williams too.

So that's $13 million of expiring contracts. Not great, but at least there's potential with Eyenga, Kahn, J.J., draft picks, Boobie, among other things.

We still will probably sign LeBron, then sign others using the MLE and BAE we would get if we sacrificed our salary space. Use that to fill our holes.

What we see this year won't stay the same next year, clearly you should know that .

Second options will be addressed, if necessary.

 

[abuC]

Sums up my feelings.

 

[Chris]

Moon's deal is NON-GUARANTEED the third year, a la Delonte West expiring this year.
And if we don't remove Delonte and keep him next year, he'll be an expiring next to Jamario.
Anthony Parker is also an expiring, as you said. Powe, Jackson, Williams too.

So that's $13 million of expiring contracts. Not great, but at least there's potential with Eyenga, Kahn, J.J., draft picks, Boobie, among other things.

We still will probably sign LeBron, then sign others using the MLE and BAE we would get if we sacrificed our salary space. Use that to fill our holes.

What we see this year won't stay the same next year, clearly you should know that .

Second options will be addressed, if necessary.

So we can sign another batch of marginal role players?

Coooo....l...

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Moon is not expiring next year, he was signed to a 3 year deal..

We need to make a deal. I agree.

But you're wrong. Moon's third year isn't guaranteed, so he's effectively an expiring contract next year.

 

[rabman_gold]

So we can sign another batch of marginal role players?

Coooo....l...

The process is never-ending. At the very least, we'll keep upgrading players through trades, you did you miss that I said we have 13 million in expirings? Good enough for another all-star?

Look, it's not perfect, but if Ferry was right and it was good enough, good. If not, he'll keep moving 'em around.

Stop whining, negative-nancy...

 

[Triumph36]

Moon's deal is NON-GUARANTEED the third year, a la Delonte West expiring this year.
And if we don't remove Delonte and keep him next year, he'll be an expiring next to Jamario.
Anthony Parker is also an expiring, as you said. Powe, Jackson, Williams too.

So that's $13 million of expiring contracts. Not great, but at least there's potential with Eyenga, Kahn, J.J., draft picks, Boobie, among other things.

We still will probably sign LeBron, then sign others using the MLE and BAE we would get if we sacrificed our salary space. Use that to fill our holes.

What we see this year won't stay the same next year, clearly you should know that .

Second options will be addressed, if necessary.

Oh, I didn't know it was non-guaranteed. Ok, you came up with $13M in expirings - but look at how many players you needed to include to do that! To get a difference maker we'd have to trade like half the damn team...I don't think that'd help us much.

I just think that we have the PERFECT opportunity here. At best, we can get a young player to pair with LeBron and essentially force him to re-sign. At worst we could trade for a guy like AK47 - decent shooter/stretch 4, good defender, but more importantly a big expiring contract next season! That results in even more options while providing a short-term fix this year.

Any team we trade Z to will likely buy him out. That's a HUGE advantage, and I don't think we should let this opportunity pass without taking action.

 

[Chris]

The process is never-ending. At the very least, we'll keep upgrading players through trades, you did you miss that I said we have 13 million in expirings? Good enough for another all-star?

Look, it's not perfect, but if Ferry was right and it was good enough, good. If not, he'll keep moving 'em around.

Stop whining, negative-nancy...

Stop licking Ferry's balls, Sunshine Sally.

How the hell will we keep "upgrading through trades" when two years in a row we'll have not used our trade assets? Your logic is laughable.

 

[rjchpd]

I would just like to add my two cents on the cavs as a whole. They have been playing great basketball this season. At the forefront of all of this is Lebron James. His productivity on the court has been legendary, dating back to last season (including the playoffs). A closer look at the cavs reveal that they are the least talented of the so called 'top four' in the league. Now that may not be necessarily a bad thing given their success so far in the regular season. However one should proceed with caution when using regular season performance to predict future post season play.

The cavaliers' defense is elite but their guard play is too inconsistent and may turn out to be their achilles heel in the post season. Now Lebron is the most dominant player in the league and the only thing that's preventing him from owning it is a consistent 20 ppg player. One who is capable of creating his own shot at an elite level. I still think the cavs have too many players that depend on Lebron for their offense, in other words too many spot up shooters. In tight half court sets, this may create problems since lebron is the most reliable in terms of creating a play off the dribble. I think one more player is need in this area, preferably a 2 guard, with size and athleticsim.

 

[rabman_gold]

Case Scenario:

Current Team:

Shaq|J.J.|LeBron|Anthony|Mo
Z|Andy|Jamario|Delonte|Boobie
Darnell|Leon|Jawad|Green|---

Players for 2010 Summer on board:

• J.J.
• AP
• Mo
• Andy
• Jamario
• Delonte
• Boobie
• Darnell
• Leon
• Jawad
• Green

11 guys - 5 guys non-guaranteed

Player Pickups:

• LeBron (re-sign)
• Shaq?
• Z?

Makes 14, but it depends on what is done with the non-guaranteeds

• Kaun
• Eyenga
• Emir?
• Draft Pick

Now, if we want to do a small makeover, we start with the ones to keep:

• LeBron
• Mo
• Andy
• AP
• Jamario
• Boobie
• Leon
• Delonte

Then you add your supposed free agents:
Udonis Haslem? Hakim Warrick? Rasho?

Basically, then you can make moves until late September to fill out our roster, as there's no limit to actually rosters until training camp, coming up with the best looking roster that has the same flare as this season, except less weakness for age and more potential based on what we get. Trades can still be made early on to get that piece, a la Mo Williams trade.

It's not so bad, this future, is it? All we got to do is make sure LeBron's back, then Ferry can take care of itself. No worries.

 

[Chris]

It isn't horrible, nobody really said it was. But it isn't terribly impressive either.

Whatever. Let's see after the deadline where we stand.

 

[rabman_gold]

Stop licking Ferry's balls, Sunshine Sally.

How the hell will we keep "upgrading through trades" when two years in a row we'll have not used our trade assets? Your logic is laughable.

So, you wanna launch the bomb yet? It's sitting there with your name on it...

Seriously, lighten up. I don't need to give support to Ferry, since everyone here does, including Mr. Wine and Gold, you are one of the exception, sadly... You're right that upgrading will be hard a little later on, but if we need to make a move, Ferry did pull it off when it was needed... twice. Flip sure worked out well, eh? So did the Larry/Ben move, when we had NO pieces.

Just wait and see, you'll see in due time the advantages to being patience and chilling out .

 

[Chris]

So, you wanna launch the bomb yet? It's sitting there with your name on it...

Seriously, lighten up. I don't need to give support to Ferry, since everyone here does, including Mr. Wine and Gold, you are one of the exception, sadly... You're right that upgrading will be hard a little later on, but if we need to make a move, Ferry did pull it off when it was needed... twice. Flip sure worked out well, eh? So did the Larry/Ben move, when we had NO pieces.

Just wait and see, you'll see in due time the advantages to being patience and chilling out .

I give plenty of support to Ferry. For the third time, I am assuming he will do the right thing and make a trade if there is one to improve the team. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'd think that constitutes giving him my support.

And I'm not launching any bombs. However people who think we have some great young core are freaking stoned, I swear. It irks me. And whether Wine and Gold thinks we're the greatest thing since sliced bread is irrelevant to me. I wait for every one of his posts, I get excited to hear his insight, just like you and everyone else...but his opinions are hardly gospel to me, and I bet he'd tell you the same thing.

A lot of this "We are a great team and can win it all as currently constructed" is exactly what he and others were preaching last year.

 

[rabman_gold]

Alright, but right now, until further notice, we ARE the best team, and it wasn't just because of LeBron.

I expect us to properly contend and fix the weaknesses. Shaq and Z may be replaced with a real star big man or one of the guys stays and we sign a MLE guy that's big instead. Too many routes to take. But the door's open for anything.