Will Cavs make run at Bosh this summer?

[sam_slam911]

Still don't think we have much of a shot at Bosh. It will be a sign and trade with him, but still, I just see another team, who he would be happy to go to, offering more. Never say never cause JJ has really raised his value this year, and it's always possible that Bosh demands a move to Cleveland, but I don't see him being that specific.

I think Rudy Gay could really be the target though. I don't see many teams offering a sign and trade for him at the max. We could really have a shot just because we would be able to vastly overpay for him, and send a few assets their way like Green, Boobie, Delonte, Powe and possibly a couple of picks. It's a totally one sided move, but with all the other free agents and the number of financially hurting teams, is there another team out there that would actually give assets in return for Rudy Gay at a max contract?

If they can pull off that kind of move for Gay without using Hickson, isn't that better than just getting Bosh? We then have a complete lineup with Mo, Gay, LeBron, JJ and Shaq or whoever. I'm sure if we could get Bosh we'd just take him over Rudy Gay, but in this circumstance I think Gay would be the better option.

 

[flamez]

I know someone else said this before me but I'll repeat it. Ferry should trade Andy and Hickson if it meant getting Bosh. You can find a replacement for Anderson Varejao. You cannot find many guys like Chris Bosh, who can be a consistent second option.

Some people here may not agree but it's a fact. Talent wins titles and for the future we don't have much of it.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I know someone else said this before me but I'll repeat it. Ferry should trade Andy and Hickson if it meant getting Bosh. You can find a replacement for Anderson Varejao. You cannot find many guys like Chris Bosh, who can be a consistent second option.

Some people here may not agree but it's a fact. Talent wins titles and for the future we don't have much of it.

I'm not sure how much of an asset Varejao is in a S&T. I think Hickson and assorted expirings is the more valuable package.

 

[BA_CavsFan]

Still don't think we have much of a shot at Bosh. It will be a sign and trade with him, but still, I just see another team, who he would be happy to go to, offering more. Never say never cause JJ has really raised his value this year, and it's always possible that Bosh demands a move to Cleveland, but I don't see him being that specific.

I think Rudy Gay could really be the target though. I don't see many teams offering a sign and trade for him at the max. We could really have a shot just because we would be able to vastly overpay for him, and send a few assets their way like Green, Boobie, Delonte, Powe and possibly a couple of picks. It's a totally one sided move, but with all the other free agents and the number of financially hurting teams, is there another team out there that would actually give assets in return for Rudy Gay at a max contract?

If they can pull off that kind of move for Gay without using Hickson, isn't that better than just getting Bosh? We then have a complete lineup with Mo, Gay, LeBron, JJ and Shaq or whoever. I'm sure if we could get Bosh we'd just take him over Rudy Gay, but in this circumstance I think Gay would be the better option.

While I agree that getting Rudy Gay is probably more realistic than Bosh, I think the chance of the Cavs pulling off a big time S&T is nearly 0%. They have no leverage since no free agent can sign a contract with us. The Raptors/Grizzlies have to agree to a S&T, so they have much more leverage. Most of the teams that have cap space are pretty bad right now (NJ, NY, MIN, LAC), so the GMs would be willing to let the free agents walk or trade them to a team with better assets than what we have. Besides, the Grizzlies owner has said that re-signing Gay is his #1 priority, so I'm assuming he'll match a max contract if given Gay signs one.

 

[Triumph36]

I am already assuming any trade would involve us taking on the contract of Turkoglu or Calderon, so even if that's just cutting a year or two off of those contracts for Jamison, it's worth it for Toronot. If not, it's STILL worth it, they still aren't a luxury tax team(most likely), so getting an old veteran who will play hard for one year and then become an asset for you the next year(in the form of a 15 million dollar expiring) is NOT as bad of a move as you make it out to be. Jamison is one year of bad contract, but it doesn't put them over the tax, and then becomes an asset.

Oh okay, sending out Jamison while absorbing one of those two definitely changes things from the Toronto perspective and I could see them going for it. Not sure if Gilbert/Ferry would though....Calderon playing PG certainly doesn't help matters either. Another problem with Bosh and Turk/Calderon is making the salaries match, which would be no easy task. Too bad Bosh won't be a BYC player.

You seem to be assuming every team wants expirings because of their trade value when that's not necessarily true. Expirings often get overpaid and/or old players in return. Trading Bosh means they will be rebuilding, and thus expirings won't be as valuable to them. They're going to want and need young, cheap players. Not old players who are owed a lot of money, which is why I think they'd let Jamison expire if he was dealt there.

That being said, sending out Jamison is obviously fine if we're taking back one of their bad contracts.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/383791-nba-rumor-talk-chris-bosh-to-the-thunder



Thunder would be stooopid scary

I'm guessing they'd move Green to the bench or maybe even include him in the S&T. Durants best fit is at SF, and moving your star player to accommodate another player seem like it could do more harm than good. Playing Bosh at center wouldn't be good for them either.

If they could get Bosh without giving up too many assets and draft a solid center (Orton plz), they'd be unbelievable.

 

[kovanovich]

Sure Bosh could go to the Thunder, that has been an option, but it's also an option for Amare, Wade, LeBron, Johnson, Dirk, etc. I doubt that the Thunder will be intact in three years. In fact I am willing to bet that Durant and Westbrook are the only two they have in three years from their current core. Their owner has less than a quarter of the wealth of our owner, and their payroll will be much higher than ours is now if they intend to keep Durant (max), Westbrook (max), Harden (possible max), Green (8-10). That is about 47-49 million dollars for those four guys (13+13+13+8 = 47 million). If you add in Bosh that is an additional 16 million dollars which would put their total at 63-65 million (47+16 = 63). That is 5 players, I agree that they have a great core and if they had Dan Gilbert as an owner then they would be a real threat to have a dynasty, but as it stands their owner is not Dan Gilbert.

Well, first, we are using B/R as a "source," and that's a big caveat...The theory about Bosh possibly being interested in going to OKC is that he is from (relatively) nearby Dallas. Problem is that the two cities are more than 200 miles apart, so it's not like Bosh would be living in Dallas.

The other part of the Bosh to OKC theory has to do with the fact that the Thunder need a big man of some sort. My guess is if they were able somehow to land Bosh, they would simply dump Jeff Green, who is an undersized PF who can't rebound. They could either trade him in a s/t for Bosh, or simply trade him away to a team with cap space to absorb Green's contract to clear sufficient cap room to sign Bosh...It's not clear whether they have enough space to sign a max player at the moment.

Anyway, you add a 25-26 year old Bosh to Durant (21) and Westbrook (21)...Add in Ibaka (20), Harden (20), Maynor (22-23), Sefolosha (26), and you've got a pretty decent team.

 

[Mdog1]

SamSlam i'm sure ive said it before but if Bosh and Gay were available i'd easily take Gay because a 2 is more pressing than a 4. Rudy is BYC so the trade would be easier as well. They have a couple bad contracts I think and they desperately need depth. A trade of Delonte, JJ, Moon, Telfair would be allow us take back around 14.5 million, and it may improve their team.

 

[Mdog1]

Kovanovic I just can't see the Thunder being able to afford those guys. They have one of the smallest markets and a reletively averase owner financially.

 

[MYoung23]

You take Bosh over Gay 10 times out of 10. All Star big men like Bosh are more valuable and it is far more important to defend the SG than have scoring there.

If Bosh wanted to come to Cleveland a sign-and-trade would start with Jamison and Hickson.

 

[Mdog1]

You take Bosh over Gay 10 times out of 10. All Star big men like Bosh are more valuable and it is far more important to defend the SG than have scoring there.

If Bosh wanted to come to Cleveland a sign-and-trade would start with Jamison and Hickson.

Well SG is a bigger weakness, I agree that an AS big is a rare thing to come by, but we have a pretty darn good 4 man in Jamison already where as Parker is our best SG (scary). If the package for Bosh was a steal then I would do it, but if not then Gay would be the better option as he would be a bigger upgrade than Bosh would when considering the personell.

 

[NarlCavs]

I've also said before that if you have a chance for Bosh you go for it. A proven skilled all star big like him isn't easy to find. His game also fits here and fits next to LeBron. Jamison turns 34 in June. He's not the long term answer. Hickson's ceiling as a player isn't at the level Bosh is already at.
SG's are easier to find. Cavs also have young prospects there in Green and Eyenga. I like Rudy Gay and wouldn't be against him but also see him as more of a SF than a SG.

If you have a Bosh at PF it can also allow you to get away with not having big time talent at C and go with more of a C by committee. And to be honest that might be the direction the Cavs are going to have to go with anyway at C in a year or so.

 

[Triumph36]

Bosh & Hedo for Jamison, Hickson, Telfair, Eyenga, Toronto's choice of Delonte/Boobie/Moon/Parker, 2011 1st

is probably the most likely deal. Still don't think that's likely but let's hope Bosh really wants Cleveland.

 

[Lee]

You take Bosh over Gay 10 times out of 10. All Star big men like Bosh are more valuable and it is far more important to defend the SG than have scoring there.

If Bosh wanted to come to Cleveland a sign-and-trade would start with Jamison and Hickson.

I dont think it would be both. Jamison has alot left on his contract. I could be wrong on this, but they would rather have filler like boobie and a 1 year gurunteed wally than Jamison. Not that I wouldnt send both packing to get Bosh, just not sure Toronto takes on Jamison.

As for Bosh over Gay. I didnt read the whole thread, but if you have to respond to someone questioning between those 2 players....i am glad i didnt. Those 2 are not even in the same realm. Gay is a good role player. Bosh has stepped up his game this year to be in contention for all nba 2nd team. A top 10 player alongside Lebron. Is Gay even top 30?

 

[MYoung23]

You have to realize that NBA teams and GMs are affected by the PR hit of their moves. Toronto would probably take Jamison so they can say "at least we got a 19-8 guy for the next two years along with a young talent."

Despite the need to do so NBA teams will fight against blowing up their team because the negative perception of casual fans and media that doesn't get it.

 

[Triumph36]

Jamison will only be involved if Hedo or Jose is coming to Cleveland with Bosh.