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Re: Magic discussing deal for Arenas

whats interesting for the magic is they can run the same high screen and roll sets that they used to run with hedo again. But the can also run them with gilbert at the pg spot. He has the same advantages over most eastern confrence pgs that hedo has over most 3's and 4's. Should make them much more effective at the end of quarters
 
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The Magic knew they had no shot this year with their current roster. So they blew it up. Can't fault them for that. And like the Cavs were with LeBron, they are in win-now mode. No time for a longer rebuild.

Like other people have said, I think Arenas is the key to these moves. For him to be happy and totally invested he's going to have to be the starting point. I'm assuming Smith and VanGundy already know this. No sense in pissing off the key to the deal by forcing Arenas to play the off-guard spot. So I'm guessing Jameer is the odd man out. Richardson then plays the two, Hedo the three and Bass the four spot. That gives the Magic a nice punch off the bench in Jameer and Redick. The problem, as others have noted, is big man depth.
 
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Trading all your good defenders for limited defenders and a modest improvement on offense?

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Danny Ferry said:
That's a great move.

But in all seriousness, this is a terrible trade for Orlando. Rearranging the deck chairs, IMO. I feel bad for D-Ho, though. He has no perimeter defenders in front of him.
 
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If it is true about Orlando now shopping Nelson, I would be suprised if they get something done with Sacramento. A Nelson for Thompson and Garcia/or Udrih could work.
 
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It seems almost certain that Nash gets moved now right? I mean, PHX is all but blowing this thing up by letting Amare walk, and then moving Hedo and Richardson. Have to imagine NAsh will be dealt by the deadline. Let's see, who in the East could possibly become a semi-contender by adding Nash and therefore making it tougher on the Heat to win? Atlanta? I always thought Orlando but that seems out the window now.

On the other hand, Nash heading back to Dallas seems VERY possible now. Put Nash on that team instead of Jason Kidd and you have the team that will be coming out of the Western Conference.

Don't have the direct link to it right now (will try and find) but saw this on my twitter app, ill just write it as I saw:

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Agent Bill Diffy tells Y! Sports Suns owner Robery Sarver has assured him that "nothing is going on" trade wise with Suns star @SteveNash

So guess we will see if thats true or not come these next months.
 
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What the hell just happened? I don't think ORL can win a title with this team or their old team anyways, but just strange to see this many good players traded.

IMO Nelson > Arenas.... And no Rashard Lewis now? Him being their PF is what makes Orlando's offense what it is. I just don't even know what to say. I am interested to see how it plays out.
 
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Personally I thought the Magic had a better squad the year they beat us in the Eastern Conference Finals. They were a matchup nightmare for every team in the league except the Lakers with Turk and Lewis playing the 3 & 4.
 
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Here's my breakdown:

Washington

Do you remember the day Cleveland traded the Larry Hughes contract? We drank, we danced, we didn't even know if Ben Wallace had any game left. This is how you feel as a fan when the worst contract in the league gets moved out of town. Wall and that young Washington core of Blatche, McGee, Young and Thornton need solid veteran leadership around them to detoxify the Arenas era. Hinrich and Rashard Lewis are overpaid for their production, but they are solid starting NBA players who immediately change the culture of Washington's lock room. Plus, it seems they didn't have to give up a significant pick. Great move, considering Arenas's value just a few months ago.

Phoenix and Orlando

It is hard for me to defend acquiring Wince Carter in any way, shape or form. I think his vaginal secretions are powerful enough to ruin any team's hopes for a successful playoff run. However, Jason Richardson has been very Wince-esque throughout his career without as much fanfare. Did you know J-Rich is in a contract year and having the best start to a season since... his last contract year? Richardson gets to showcase his talent on a very big stage against the Eastern Conference, who might have forgotten how forgettable he was in Charlotte. Wince is also in a contract year, but will probably move to a supporting veteran role rather than a third banana. This might work for Phoenix or might not... but financially they couldn't keep J-Rich past this season anyways. In the meantime, Dragic will see a more prominent role at shooting guard as well as backup point guard. Along with George Hill, he is one of the most intriguing young combo guards in the league right now. It is his chance to shine along with Jared Dudley.

In Pietrus, they might have found Grant Hill's eventual replacement at small forward. Hill is a free agent after this season and is obviously near the end of the road. If Pietrus is not the answer, there is a team option at the end of the season. Phoenix really hopes J-Chills takes the small forward spot with authority, but that hasn't happened yet. Childress's contract and poor play is just one reason Phoenix needed the financial flexibility of this trade.

The real prize here is, of course, Martin Gortat. I just picked him up in the RCF fantasy league, and predict great production going forward. Phoenix now has two tough guys in the middle (Lopez, Gortat) and two finesse guys at power forward (Frye, Warrick). That is a very intriguing young combination of big men to build around. Gortat has been a starting caliber center behind the best in the business. His attitude has been souring for the past two seasons, and it was just time for him to take the next step on the court. Clark will be the "Young Gortat," the guy who will develop his game by going against Howard in practice and gladly take 15 minutes of playing time.

Hedo... well, there seems to be only two coaches who could get production out of his unorthodox game: Van Gundy and Adelman. If he is used properly in a pick-and-roll offense he can be productive. Phoenix and Toronto tried to make him fit in more of a motion/flex offense. They tried to make him a stretch four. Chalk Hedo up to being an old dog who isn't about to learn any new tricks. Orlando has KILLED their financial flexibility with these trades, hoping the superior offensive talent coming in will produce a championship run this season. It's a brave "all in" move, but if I was running a club in Florida, I would have had more faith in my ability to sign free agents. I guess they think Miami will not be this susceptible in the playoffs in the following few seasons.
 
Re: Magic discussing deal for Arenas

Here's my breakdown:

Washington

Do you remember the day Cleveland traded the Larry Hughes contract? We drank, we danced, we didn't even know if Ben Wallace had any game left. This is how you feel as a fan when the worst contract in the league gets moved out of town. Wall and that young Washington core of Blatche, McGee, Young and Thornton need solid veteran leadership around them to detoxify the Arenas era. Hinrich and Rashard Lewis are overpaid for their production, but they are solid starting NBA players who immediately change the culture of Washington's lock room. Plus, it seems they didn't have to give up a significant pick. Great move, considering Arenas's value just a few months ago.

Phoenix and Orlando

It is hard for me to defend acquiring Wince Carter in any way, shape or form. I think his vaginal secretions are powerful enough to ruin any team's hopes for a successful playoff run. However, Jason Richardson has been very Wince-esque throughout his career without as much fanfare. Did you know J-Rich is in a contract year and having the best start to a season since... his last contract year? Richardson gets to showcase his talent on a very big stage against the Eastern Conference, who might have forgotten how forgettable he was in Charlotte. Wince is also in a contract year, but will probably move to a supporting veteran role rather than a third banana. This might work for Phoenix or might not... but financially they couldn't keep J-Rich past this season anyways. In the meantime, Dragic will see a more prominent role at shooting guard as well as backup point guard. Along with George Hill, he is one of the most intriguing young combo guards in the league right now. It is his chance to shine along with Jared Dudley.

In Pietrus, they might have found Grant Hill's eventual replacement at small forward. Hill is a free agent after this season and is obviously near the end of the road. If Pietrus is not the answer, there is a team option at the end of the season. Phoenix really hopes J-Chills takes the small forward spot with authority, but that hasn't happened yet. Childress's contract and poor play is just one reason Phoenix needed the financial flexibility of this trade.

The real prize here is, of course, Martin Gortat. I just picked him up in the RCF fantasy league, and predict great production going forward. Phoenix now has two tough guys in the middle (Lopez, Gortat) and two finesse guys at power forward (Frye, Warrick). That is a very intriguing young combination of big men to build around. Gortat has been a starting caliber center behind the best in the business. His attitude has been souring for the past two seasons, and it was just time for him to take the next step on the court. Clark will be the "Young Gortat," the guy who will develop his game by going against Howard in practice and gladly take 15 minutes of playing time.

Hedo... well, there seems to be only two coaches who could get production out of his unorthodox game: Van Gundy and Adelman. If he is used properly in a pick-and-roll offense he can be productive. Phoenix and Toronto tried to make him fit in more of a motion/flex offense. They tried to make him a stretch four. Chalk Hedo up to being an old dog who isn't about to learn any new tricks. Orlando has KILLED their financial flexibility with these trades, hoping the superior offensive talent coming in will produce a championship run this season. It's a brave "all in" move, but if I was running a club in Florida, I would have had more faith in my ability to sign free agents. I guess they think Miami will not be this susceptible in the playoffs in the following few seasons.

They didn't have financial flexibility anyways after this off-season and last off-season. That was alreayd out the window. The Lewis contract is just as terrible as the Arenas contract, so that's a sideways move.

As you've pointed out, Richardson is in a contract year just like Vince, so that's a sideways move. The only addition was the Hedo contract, but at the same time they moved the smaller Gortat contract.

I mean, they are in the same situation financially that they were before. The only way they were getting out of it was finding a way to move Lewis contract w/o taking on a long-term deal in return. They didn't manage to do that, so it's really no extra harm in terms of financial flexibility because they were screwed anyways. Basically, if they ahd done none of these trades the ywould still be way, way over the cap in the next two years, just like they will be now.
 
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You gotta love Otis Smith though. The guy just let Turkoglu walk away because he "wasn't worth the big money" but he ends up trading for him a year later. Are you serious Otis?
 
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You gotta love Otis Smith though. The guy just let Turkoglu walk away because he "wasn't worth the big money" but he ends up trading for him a year later. Are you serious Otis?

Hedo's contract became shorter/smaller after the Sun's trade with Raptors.
 
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Earl Clark would be a steal!!! PHX is already getting VC's expiring. What in the hell

Earl Clark stinks. He has no NBA talents.

I'm getting weirded out by your fetish for 6'10 potential point forward tweeners.:chuckles:

As for this trade, if they were going to go make the Phoenix deal, which I actually like for them, because I like Richardson more than Vince and Hedo fits Orlando like a glove.....they should have stayed away from Gilbert Arenas. In-fact, the devastating combination of Lewis/Turkoglu at the forward spots is really what helped make that team roll. Arenas servers no purpose to the team at this point. They have so many scorers including Jameer Nelson that I don't see where Arenas fits. They went from nobody to being way overcrowded. Without Lewis, the spacing for that team is going to suffer immensely because of Bass and their lack of a real playmaking PG. I would try to move Nelson ASAP in a deal for a PG that can set the table and then I'd make Arenas the 6th man. Maybe NY would consider Felton for Nelson?
 

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