23-24 Trade Deadline: What Can Koby Cook Up? (Kitchen Is Closed)

[cliffdawg]

WE HAD ISAIAH!!!!!! Too fucking bad. Would have been a perfect fit with his screening and energy.

Was really angry when we let him go. Said so many times.

And all honesty and everything being equal I’m not sure what role’s outside of being an emergency big he would be with us right now, and he wouldn’t want nothing to do with that,……If I remember rightly that why we let him go the first time, to give him a better opportunity for playing time.

 

[AustinCarr]

If he gets injured of course the narrative changes that we need another center. Duh. Foul trouble happens, but it's not something Jarrett Allen is notoriously known for. If he has a game with foul trouble we have Mobley/Wade/Niang to cover the spot minutes needed.

That is the entire point of emergency players. Guys who are good enough to not hurt you when they are pressed to play, by injury or foul trouble. That is the narrative and always has been the narrative when people talk about needing an emergency big.

 

[Smooth]

Garbage minutes just like I said.

Bench minutes through three quarters last night:

Merrill: 5
Wade: 11
LeVert: 18
Okoro: 17
Niang: 11

Taking Wade out in the first quarter right after nailing three straight threes was a bit of a head scratcher but holistically speaking the minutes were pretty balanced last night..

Wade's playing time is penalized by the overwhelming depth the Cavs right now not because it's an indictment against Wade.. They have more deserving players than available minutes and this going to be an issue any way you slice it moving forward.. I'm sure Sam Merrill's grandpappy is sitting back in his rocker with the same complaints you have but that is tough luck when you're on one of the deepest, best teams in the NBA..

We all appreciate Dean's contributions and it's obvious to see the impact he has on the team so try to enjoy him being on an extremely competitive, productive team and is making a decent wage in doing so..

If he would have been traded to Phoenix, you would have had these same issues.. Wade has a role and plays it well..

 

[Nphan]

Who would GM Nphan have traded for? Who would you have given up to get him? And which of the players who've won 21 of their last 25 games would you have sent to the bench to provide minutes for this savior? If you can't provide any answers, your rantings are just mindless nonsense.

I dont think its that hard to get a backup center better then Damion Jones. I dont have the access lile a real GM but i would be working the phones for someone better than Jones without having to trade anyone except Jones and some 2nd round picks and pick swaps.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Bench minutes through three quarters last night:

Merrill: 5
Wade: 11
LeVert: 18
Okoro: 17
Niang: 11

Taking Wade out in the first quarter right after nailing three straight threes was a bit of a head scratcher but holistically speaking the minutes were pretty balanced last night..

Wade's playing time is penalized by the overwhelming depth the Cavs right now not because it's an indictment against Wade.. They have more deserving players than available minutes and this going to be an issue any way you slice it moving forward.. I'm sure Sam Merrill's grandpappy is sitting back in his rocker with the same complaints you have but that is tough luck when you're on one of the deepest, best teams in the NBA..

We all appreciate Dean's contributions and it's obvious to see the impact he has on the team so try to enjoy him being on an extremely competitive, productive team and is making a decent wage in doing so..

If he would have been traded to Phoenix, you would have had these same issues.. Wade has a role and plays it well..

I would also say this: Of our five starters, our two best defenders are in the frontcourt. The need for a strong defender coming off the bench is much greater for the backcourt, so that's why we see more of Okoro.

I'd personally rather see more Wade than Niang, but Niang generally is much more willing to let it fly than is Wade

 

[scene42]

I would also say this: Of our five starters, our two best defenders are in the frontcourt. The need for a strong defender coming off the bench is much greater for the backcourt, so that's why we see more of Okoro.

I'd personally rather see more Wade than Niang, but Niang generally is much more willing to let it fly than is Wade

Wade should shoot it every time he has a bit of space but Niang indubitably has a much longer leash to just "let it fly."

 

[2 For The Brew]

I would also say this: Of our five starters, our two best defenders are in the frontcourt. The need for a strong defender coming off the bench is much greater for the backcourt, so that's why we see more of Okoro.

I'd personally rather see more Wade than Niang, but Niang generally is much more willing to let it fly than is Wade

I agree except lately Wade has been more willing to shoot immediately. Last night he made three shots in the first in just a few minutes.

Wade v Niang for minutes might change over the rest of the season or playoffs. We’ll see.

 

[cliffdawg]

I dont think its that hard to get a backup center better then Damion Jones. I dont have the access lile a real GM but i would be working the phones for someone better than Jones without having to trade anyone except Jones and some 2nd round picks and pick swaps.

My Brother you keep dodging the question, who’s is better then Jones/ Thompson we could have got, none of us have the access of a GM, but it don’t stop us from playing GM ( haha) I sure the Sixers need help way more then we do and they couldn’t pull a trade off for a backup center,

 

[MirORich]

How did that time prediction work out? It’s all preplanned. Except for the garbage time. And that’s going to be the way it is if there’s no injuries. No in game adjustments at all. Scripted.

No adjustments at all or just no adjustments specifically related to Dean? And it was 3 minutes of garbage time and 13 minutes prior. So not a tight scripted 5+5

Dean played well, for whatever reason, he was one of two players on the night with a minus in +/- and that didn’t come from the 3 minutes of garbage time when they were +4

And for example, should he have interrupted the 19-0 run in the third quarter with an early substitution? And who amongst Allen, Mickey, Niang, and Dean played poorly last night?

You had Mitchell playing only 30 minutes, most on the team., you had LeVert playing 5 minutes less then his season average to help continue to make room for Merrill.

You had Garland coming back at the end of the first. Quarter so that it wasn’t LeVert running the point. You had Merrill coming in at 8 minutes left in the 2nd quarter instead of ti start the second quarter.

Most importantly you had the whole team playing well collectively and individually on the whole.

So then how was last nights game an example of purely sticking to a script?

 

[mds]

The backup center talk doesn't make as much sense as some think.

Allen can play 30-35 minutes in a big game against a legit big if need be... Mobley can defend the C in spots. Fatass Niang can come push around a few minutes if need be. And people forget Wade is actually listed at 6'9", he can defend there for a few spot minutes as well.

And while I understand that Wade and Niang aren't ideal guys to guard centers, keep in mind that both shoot well from the 3 point line so on the other end of the floor -- these big centers are going to have to come out and defend (a huge benefit to open up the paint for our guards).

I think people are more concerned about an injury, but the fact we have two guys who are above average centers and a set of guys who can play the four definitely helps.

 

[Comeback kid]

Bench minutes through three quarters last night:

Merrill: 5
Wade: 11
LeVert: 18
Okoro: 17
Niang: 11

Taking Wade out in the first quarter right after nailing three straight threes was a bit of a head scratcher but holistically speaking the minutes were pretty balanced last night..

Wade's playing time is penalized by the overwhelming depth the Cavs right now not because it's an indictment against Wade.. They have more deserving players than available minutes and this going to be an issue any way you slice it moving forward.. I'm sure Sam Merrill's grandpappy is sitting back in his rocker with the same complaints you have but that is tough luck when you're on one of the deepest, best teams in the NBA..

We all appreciate Dean's contributions and it's obvious to see the impact he has on the team so try to enjoy him being on an extremely competitive, productive team and is making a decent wage in doing so..

If he would have been traded to Phoenix, you would have had these same issues.. Wade has a role and plays it well..

Good decent response. I don’t agree on minutes in Phoenix because they’re centered on one aging player and two other stars and they have no bench at power forward and small forward. A good way to tell how many minutes are available is to watch how many minutes RON gets. The Suns have been trying to get Dean for a couple months but just didn’t have much left to offer.

 

[mds]

I dont think its that hard to get a backup center better then Damion Jones. I dont have the access lile a real GM but i would be working the phones for someone better than Jones without having to trade anyone except Jones and some 2nd round picks and pick swaps.

Im sure they did exactly that. Why are you convinced they didn’t try? FOs are always trying to improve the roster.

 

[Comeback kid]

No adjustments at all or just no adjustments specifically related to Dean? And it was 3 minutes of garbage time and 13 minutes prior. So not a tight scripted 5+5

Dean played well, for whatever reason, he was one of two players on the night with a minute in +/- and that didn’t come from the 3 minutes of garbage time when they were +4

And for example, should he have interrupted the 19-0 run in the third quarter with an early substitution? And who amongst Allen, Mickey, Niang, and Dean played poorly last night?

You had Mitchell playing only 30 minutes, most on the team., you had LeVert playing 5 minutes less then his season average to help continue to make room for Merrill.

You had Garland coming back at the end of the first. Quarter so that it wasn’t LeVert running the point. You had Merrill coming in at 8 minutes left in the 2nd quarter instead of ti start the second quarter.

Most importantly you had the whole team playing well collectively and individually on the whole.

So then how was last nights game an example of purely sticking to a script?

ALL those minutes were exactly as scripted excluding the garbage minutes. What happens if he does have to adjust the script is what I’m wondering.

 

[MirORich]

ALL those minutes were exactly as scripted excluding the garbage minutes. What happens if he does have to adjust the script is what I’m wondering.

Fair question I guess.

In a game where the players and the script leads to a 30 point lead halfway through the third, I’m not sure how much “improv m/adjusment/script breaking is really warranted or necessary.

And what you’re describing is the way just NBA teams are run as well. There are some coaches that adjust by feel a little more on a regular basis to varying degrees of Success and failure, but plenty of coaches have a set rotation and sub patterns planned for consistency

Additionally, anytime our coach breaks from the patterns, unless the result is immediate success, it’s an instant roar of “he sucks, clueless, etc.” as if when other coaches make adjustments, they’re 100% successful every time

 

[Comeback kid]

No adjustments necessary if you have a 30 point lead. What if somebody plays bad and you’re behind or close? That’s the part I haven’t seen game time adjustments in the past.