#52 DeShone Kizer

[Randolphkeys]

Honest to God, it doesn't. The problem may be that I simply don't understand exactly what your position is.

I thought you said you wouldn't play Kizer any more than the last game or two of the season, and that anything more than that would be "irresponsible". You talked about that being the general rule for non-Luck rookie QB's, mentioning Elway and Lynch in Denver.

But then you said that you think the Browns should roll with the "most prepared guy who gives them the best chance to win" which sounds like you might be willing to play the rookie QB if (and I'd agree that it's an "if", not a "when") he happens to be that guy at some point in the season.

So that's my point of confusion. I can't tell whether you're laying down an "absolutely not" or a "we'll have to see how he progresses".

Having watched some Notre Dame and wanting to be excited about Kizer last fall, it would take a minor miracle for DeShone Kizer to be an immediate starter in the NFL. His footwork gets sloppy in live games, leading to throws that are all arm. He also, understandably, didn't make progressions yet. Seeing that he was a two sport star in high school and only played 1 1/2 seasons of college ball, that is to be expected. Drafting him was like the Paxton Lynch pick, in my opinion. The tools are there, but he needs to be taught.

If he passes all the tests much earlier than anyone believes, cool he passed them. I just don't believe it's going to happen until next season, 2018. Not from what I saw last season.

 

[sportscoach]

Your infatuation with Osweiler gives me cancer.

My point was we are going to start the QB that will give us the best chance to win regardless of who it is, Kessler, Osweiler or Kizer. Also depending on how they play will also effect what we do in 18s draft since we have control long term of all three guys who are in competition for the starting job. We cannot worry about the 18 draft until we see what the guys we have do on the field and who they feel will be our starter going forward and if any of them actually can project long term for us. Osweiler has the most experience of the QBs we have, Kessler knows the system the best of the three and Kizer has the most upside. All I was stating was different scenarios and that was it. We have no clue who will end up being the best of the bunch for this season just yet.

I think with Jackson and crew coaching Osweiler, he may end up a lot more sound than he ever did under O'Brien, but that opinion had nothing to do with the scenario I am talking about. If Osweiler actually is legitimate for us and somehow make the wild card, I don't think we will release him regardless of how much we owe him and it will effect how we draft in the 18 draft. If Kizer takes the reigns and at one point does well, we may skip a first or 2nd round QB. If they all suck then we end up drafting a QB number one. If Kessler ends up putting up very good numbers as our number one, do we still draft a QB in round 1 or 2?

If we are close to the playoffs Kizer is never seeing the field regardless of who is in the 18 draft if he is not our starter. If we are out of the picture, he may start a game or two. Right now everything is up in the air, and Kessler may have been told everyone has to beat him out for the position, but both Osweiler and Kizer have better arm talent than Kessler overall. Regardless, the 18 draft may be the most important draft of this franchise since without a doubt, it will be wild card or being fired for this regime and coach.

 

[dark2332]

Having watched some Notre Dame and wanting to be excited about Kizer last fall, it would take a minor miracle for DeShone Kizer to be an immediate starter in the NFL. His footwork gets sloppy in live games, leading to throws that are all arm. He also, understandably, didn't make progressions yet. Seeing that he was a two sport star in high school and only played 1 1/2 seasons of college ball, that is to be expected. Drafting him was like the Paxton Lynch pick, in my opinion. The tools are there, but he needs to be taught.

If he passes all the tests much earlier than anyone believes, cool he passed them. I just don't believe it's going to happen until next season, 2018. Not from what I saw last season.

I suggest you only watch the Texas game. Burn the rest.

You know, that way you can be irrationally optimistic like the rest of us.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I honestly cannot remember the last time the running game was working. A couple games a few years ago when Crow went off?

Literally the last game they played, Crowell had 150 yards on 19 carries.

At least we know we should discredit anything you say at this point.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Literally the last game they played, Crowell had 150 yards on 19 carries.

At least we know we should discredit anything you say at this point.

Yeah, RB was one of the few positions we actually weren't godawful at last year.

 

[sportscoach]

Yeah, RB was one of the few positions we actually weren't godawful at last year.

This was also a deep RB class by projection in 2017, so if we really needed a RB we would have gotten one before the 7th round. Crowell will do fine behind the line we got and I am sure mix well with whatever QB we use.

 

[natedagg]

In addition to the added linemen that Q-tip mentioned, they also hired Bob Wylie, who I think will make as big an impact as Gregg Williams.

http://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/01/22/cleveland-browns-arrival-bob-wylie-means-return-fundamentals/

If you didn't read this article and watch the videos, I highly recommend it. This guy is basically my new hero: looks like a damn weirdo and is a Renaissance Man:

1. He's an aviator of A-6 bombers.
2. Avid Magician.
3. Spent his off days volunteering to entertain kids at the local hospital.
4. This will be Wylie’s second go around with head coach Hue Jackson. Jackson brought in Wylie in 2011 to coach the Oakland Raider’s offensive line and helped that team go from 29th in the league in sacks allowed to fourth in one season. The Browns – especially whoever lines up behind center this fall – are hoping that a similar turnaround is in the future.

This guy is a game changer.

I love where the Browns are at with this coaching staff and organization. Hue has the creative mind to help us move the sticks. He did this shit with Andy Dalton - that's proof enough. We've upgraded the OL and even improved our draft assets again (we are a Texans dumpster fire from league-wide acclaim). But back to the coaches - besides Hue, who has the respect of his fellow coaches AND players who stuck with him through our horrible 1-15 campaign, we have this Wylie, Saunders for WR's (here's how a great resume sounds: "Saunders has more than 40 years of coaching experience, including the past 33 in the NFL. He has been part of 15 playoff teams, five division titles and one Super Bowl championship as an NFL coach. His offensive units have ranked first in the NFL in total offense, passing, rushing or scoring 20 times."), and obviously Greg Williams at DC.

I've just never been more sold on the vision and the process here. I might even watch some games this year. Our only problem is youth - and that'll obviously change as the years unfold. This is a great time to be a Browns fan, as crazy as that sounds.

 

[The Oi]

Our only problem is youth

Film room, Day 1:

They'll have to institute a nap time after free play and film time like any good montessori, but I agree...with a leader like Myles on the defensive side of the ball who has a favorite dinosaur and a coach who knows magic and flies airplanes, once Myles gets back from his ankie booboo...the Browns are to be taken seriously.

 

[Kyrie4MVP0202]

Garrett's gonna stick a walking boot up someones ass.


As he injures his other ankle.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If you didn't read this article and watch the videos, I highly recommend it. This guy is basically my new hero: looks like a damn weirdo and is a Renaissance Man:

1. He's an aviator of A-6 bombers.
2. Avid Magician.
3. Spent his off days volunteering to entertain kids at the local hospital.
4. This will be Wylie’s second go around with head coach Hue Jackson. Jackson brought in Wylie in 2011 to coach the Oakland Raider’s offensive line and helped that team go from 29th in the league in sacks allowed to fourth in one season. The Browns – especially whoever lines up behind center this fall – are hoping that a similar turnaround is in the future.

This guy is a game changer.

I love where the Browns are at with this coaching staff and organization. Hue has the creative mind to help us move the sticks. He did this shit with Andy Dalton - that's proof enough. We've upgraded the OL and even improved our draft assets again (we are a Texans dumpster fire from league-wide acclaim). But back to the coaches - besides Hue, who has the respect of his fellow coaches AND players who stuck with him through our horrible 1-15 campaign, we have this Wylie, Saunders for WR's (here's how a great resume sounds: "Saunders has more than 40 years of coaching experience, including the past 33 in the NFL. He has been part of 15 playoff teams, five division titles and one Super Bowl championship as an NFL coach. His offensive units have ranked first in the NFL in total offense, passing, rushing or scoring 20 times."), and obviously Greg Williams at DC.

I've just never been more sold on the vision and the process here. I might even watch some games this year. Our only problem is youth - and that'll obviously change as the years unfold. This is a great time to be a Browns fan, as crazy as that sounds.

Al Saunders is an assistant coaching rock star. He has coached up plenty of raw athletes to be Pro Bowlers since the 70s. I even saw video last summer of him teaching our rookies how to get both feet in bounds on out patterns, and he was 69 years old at the time. Beast.

I'm skeptical about Wylie. His teams tended to improve after he left. Maybe he set the foundation for others to reap the glory, but I'm in "prove it" mode with the young lineman. He definitely has a young and eager group to work with though.

 

[Jack Brickman]

This was also a deep RB class by projection in 2017, so if we really needed a RB we would have gotten one before the 7th round. Crowell will do fine behind the line we got and I am sure mix well with whatever QB we use.

You can get a good RB basically every year in the draft, as there are always solid options available in the third and fourth rounds.

 

[Surge]

Back to Kizer, please....

 

[Tornicade]

Back to Kizer, please....

who?

I don't think there is much left on kizer until we see him in training camp

 

[dark2332]

Back to Kizer, please....

With Kizer and Kessler both training with Tom House in the time until camp, the next month may be more important than we all realize.

Hue and Tom are friends, and I imagine this month could be used as another evaluator/checkpoint in the ongoing competition, albeit indirectly.

 

[Randolphkeys]

With Kizer and Kessler both training with Tom House in the time until camp, the next month may be more important than we all realize.

Hue and Tom are friends, and I imagine this month could be used as another evaluator/checkpoint in the ongoing competition, albeit indirectly.

I had no idea Tom House was working with Kizer. That's fantastic for his development since House was a revered pitching coach who also added helping quarterbacks later. Kizer's biggest obstacle is using his lower body like a quarterback rather than flinging the ball with all arm, like a positional baseball player trying to beat a baserunner. If Kizer can become consistent in his base, that's half the battle for him.

That said, I'm still expecting this to be Kizer's redshirt year. I saw that the talk of Denver's camp is Lynch overshadowing Simian. I hope we hear the same in the summer of 2018 of Kizer.