Elton Brand?

[Mdog1]

So then, Ben would still start and you would bring Brand in off the bench???? We're going to pay a guy $15 million per year for four years to come off the bench???? Moreover, when you said:



... you have to be dense to think that Toronto would trade Bosh for Ben straight up. They will demand J.J. in that trade.

So under your scenario, we trade for a huge contract in Brand, trade for Bosh (and hopefully resign him to a huge contract), and have LeBron to resign to a huge contract as well.

Under my scenario, we don't trade for Brand (instead, we go for a player like Camby), pursue Bosh in free agency, resign LeBron, and by that time Hickson will be playing at or above Brand's level (and he'll be A LOT younger, a HELL of a lot cheaper, and won't have the history of Brand's injuries).

Your scenario's longterm outcome: 3 huge contracts + No Hickson for "X" level of production
My scenario's longterm outcome: 2 huge contracts + Hickson for that same "X" level of production.

The gist of it all? Brand doesn't bring enough to the table this year (vs. acquiring Camby instead) to justify the longterm inflexibility that his contract would place upon the organization.

Actually you forgot to put under your scenario 1) No AV, 2) No Z, 3) no veterans, 4) fill out 3-5 roster spots with players of Kinsey and Lorenzen Wrights level. So which is better? A team that has Lebron, Bosh, Hickson, Boobie, Mo, Delonte, DJ3, 2x 1st round picks, 2x 2nd round picks + 4 Kinsey level of players or worse. That isn't a good roster at all.

My scenario we have LeBron, Bosh, AV, Boobie, Mo, Delonte, Brand, DJ3, 2nd rounder, Z, and a couple of garbage players to fill out the roster. This way we are deep, and our starting line up is up there with any team in the league.

Also just to point out I did say that we would have to include JJ in any deal for a Bosh level of player also we would need to include picks.

Edit: Also just to point out under your scenario we wouldn't be able to offer Bosh the full max. He would need to take a 4-6 million dollar salary cut and why would he do that?

 

[Thunder]

The Sixers led by 14 with a couple minutes to go against the Nets in the 3rd Q. Brand entered the game, and the Nets immediately went on a run and outscored the Sixers 20-8 in the 4th to win the game by 2. Brand was missing everything. His value goes down every game, and I think at this point the Sixers would be happy with a expiring contract worth the same as Brand's. If Ferry kept his ground, the Sixers would definitely bite on a straight up trade. As of now they'd want Gibson (they need shooters) or a pick, but as long as we act like we don't have to make a trade (which we don't) the Sixers will fold. That's the biggest advantage we have vs. all teams, that we are so good right now we can just act like we will stand pat.

 

[Joel]

A few other points:

1. Miami won't be our only competition for Elton Brand. I can see Chicago making a play, using Drew Gooden's expiring contract as trade bait; they could develop packages around Luol Deng or Tyrus Thomas, depending on what interests Philadelphia. Also, I can see Indiana getting involved. They can offer expiring contracts in Rasho Nesterovic, Marquis Daniels, and Jeff Foster, and can also include young players like Kareem Rush and Roy Hibbert as well.

We're going to have to make a real play to get Brand. I'm worried that we'll have to include Hickson, too.

2. If Bosh is really the player that we're interested in obtaining, then maybe it makes sense to acquire Elton Brand - and then, in a year's time, offer Brand to Toronto for Bosh. If Toronto is staring down the barrel of losing Bosh for nothing in a year, then they might be interested in the possibility of bringing aboard Brand for the next three years. Brand, as strange as it sounds, could become an important trade chip in a year.

Remember, not every team will be excited about clearing salary cap space next year. There are plenty of teams that hold virtually no appeal as free agency destinations, and for whom salary cap room is a useless asset. For these teams, like Toronto, it might make sense to build through trades instead.

 

[The Oi]

I'd have some concern over whether Brand in his current state makes us a better team than we are without him. The Sixers are worse with him than without.

I'd have to assume he would, given that we play a completely different style of basketball than the Sixers but it's tough to say. The Sixers have no outside shooters at all to take the pressure off of Brand down low. Something tells me Brand would play well for a team like us that can spread the floor and work out of the post as well.

I think it would take some time to adjust but I believe he and Z could easily be on the floor at the same time too. Just keep Z in the high post and Brand in the low. That would be a hell of a threat.

A lineup of Z, Brand, LeBron, Delonte and Mo would be insane in the half-court.

Regardless, whoever is making the decisions for the Sixers is obviously a friggin moron. Anytime you pick a guy up who doesn't fit the program you run there's obviously a disconnect between the FO and the coach.

 

[The George]

Think back to the Brand of the playoff Clippers... He was dominating with another bigman in Kaman and a similar swingman in Maggette

guy was an automatic 20/10... IMO he has the jumper and inside moves to do the same here not to mention the defensive abilities to fit in very well here

who knows... I still dont think Phily bails on him so this is all a mute point

 

[Sir Charles Barkley]

I'd have some concern over whether Brand in his current state makes us a better team than we are without him. The Sixers are worse with him than without.

I'd have to assume he would, given that we play a completely different style of basketball than the Sixers but it's tough to say. The Sixers have no outside shooters at all to take the pressure off of Brand down low. Something tells me Brand would play well for a team like us that can spread the floor and work out of the post as well.

I think it would take some time to adjust but I believe he and Z could easily be on the floor at the same time too. Just keep Z in the high post and Brand in the low. That would be a hell of a threat.

A lineup of Z, Brand, LeBron, Delonte and Mo would be insane in the half-court.

Regardless, whoever is making the decisions for the Sixers is obviously a friggin moron. Anytime you pick a guy up who doesn't fit the program you run there's obviously a disconnect between the FO and the coach.

I agree, he would have plenty of room to operate in the low post. Our lineup would be sick. The only problem would be if Ben was willing to accept his role off the bench...which i doubt. It would also hinder JJ's growth...I'm still not sold on him (mainly because of the contract) but he would solidify our frontcourt for the next 5 years.

 

[The Oi]

The only problem would be if Ben was willing to accept his role off the bench...which i doubt. It would also hinder JJ's growth...I'm still not sold on him (mainly because of the contract) but he would solidify our frontcourt for the next 5 years.

I would bet Ben could be convinced to come off the bench if it meant he'd still earn about 20MPG. I bet he'd be especially open to it late in the season as his back starts to wear on him more.

To be fully honest...I'd rather have Bosh than Brand.

 

[The George]

To be fully honest...I'd rather have Bosh than Brand.

see thats Danny's master plan... trade for Brand on the cheap this year

and then get Bosh next year... we would have the best frontcourt of all time haha

 

[sam_slam911]

Whats Brands contract again? 5 years? So he'' be 34 in his last year. Plus hes juust come off a shoulder injury and is averaging like 6 pts a game. Achilles injury dont actually bother me that much. hes put up pretty good numbers on the sixers considering their style plays to his weaknesses.

Problems:

1) Looooong contract for a guy that will turn 30 later this year.
2) Has to be an injury risk. Dont care how it looks now, achilles injuries can always come back.
3)Would basically HAVE to start, meaning Ben has to accept a bench role, which hes apparently pretty against doin. Would be different if it was a 24 year old superstar like Bosh taking his place, but replacing him immediately with a guy like Brand whos had alotta problems over the past year and a half might piss him off.
4)Means JJ will get much lower playing time than he would have done, and wouldnt become our starter for years.

 

[Sir Charles Barkley]

Whats Brands contract again? 5 years? So he'' be 34 in his last year. Plus hes juust come off a shoulder injury and is averaging like 6 pts a game. Achilles injury dont actually bother me that much. hes put up pretty good numbers on the sixers considering their style plays to his weaknesses.

Problems:

1) Looooong contract for a guy that will turn 30 later this year.
2) Has to be an injury risk. Dont care how it looks now, achilles injuries can always come back.
3)Would basically HAVE to start, meaning Ben has to accept a bench role, which hes apparently pretty against doin. Would be different if it was a 24 year old superstar like Bosh taking his place, but replacing him immediately with a guy like Brand whos had alotta problems over the past year and a half might piss him off.
4)Means JJ will get much lower playing time than he would have done, and wouldnt become our starter for years.

Well if JJ starts showing that he is going to be an all star caliber player, we just trade brand When brand only has 2 years left on his contract....

 

[godfather]

Whats Brands contract again? 5 years? So he'' be 34 in his last year. Plus hes juust come off a shoulder injury and is averaging like 6 pts a game. Achilles injury dont actually bother me that much. hes put up pretty good numbers on the sixers considering their style plays to his weaknesses.

Problems:

1) Looooong contract for a guy that will turn 30 later this year.
2) Has to be an injury risk. Dont care how it looks now, achilles injuries can always come back.
3)Would basically HAVE to start, meaning Ben has to accept a bench role, which hes apparently pretty against doin. Would be different if it was a 24 year old superstar like Bosh taking his place, but replacing him immediately with a guy like Brand whos had alotta problems over the past year and a half might piss him off.
4)Means JJ will get much lower playing time than he would have done, and wouldnt become our starter for years.

I wouldn't say not be a starter for years. Well, you could be right. Just for argument stake, 3 years he's only 23. He might not be ready to start for another three years anyways, IMO.

Elton Brand might be better as a guy off the bench in a year or so, when JJ is ready to break out into a monster.

Ben doesn't have a choice. If he wants to win, he will accept. He'd still get about 20 minutes a game.

Z 25 minutes
Brand 28 minutes
Av 23 minutes
Ben 20 minutes.


Av and Ben have to accept a lesser role, but still get quality playing time.

He'll, who am I kidding, I'd only play Ben about 15.

 

[The George]

Brand is a guy who I would still love to pick up in the midst of all this Bosh mess... I know that CB is the ultimate dream but Brand is a guy that makes a lot of sense for this team

not sure what philly's deal is though

 

[Silky Smooth]

Brand has to be obtainable. He is the worst fit for that team. Some cap space should really be what philly would take for him. There is no way they can just keep him knowing he is a liability for their style of play.

Brand for wally and a 1st rounder. Possiblily the best deal they're going to get for him with the way he has played so far.

 

[godfather]

Philly has to really tank, and their gm has to panic.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Another quick thought...

if we were to get Brand this year....next season or even this off-season we'd have a really good package available to offer for Bosh if he really does get traded out of Toronto.