OSU vs ND ?

[cavincali]

mac i know you have hatred for the bucks, and since dame is playing them i can see why you feel this way.

you have got to be a fool to honestly think that their is no chance ohio state can beat notre dame.

notre dame could barely beat the cardinal, i bet you were saying the same thing then. you defense has allowed almost 2 times as many points as the bucks have and you played against "cakes."

obvisouly you dont watch or follow the bucks, thats cool. i dont think that dame can beat the bucks. i mean the bucks offense has played well the last 6 games of the year, racking up 400 plus yards isnt anything, right.

vince young is much harder to stop than brady quinn bro. quinn is a better passer dont get me wrong, but vince is a freak.

if im not mistaken their have been sooooooo many running quaterbacks that have suceeded in college. why was nebraska so good for so long, they only ran the option, pretty one demionsal to me. troy smith has proven over the last 6 games of this year that he can throw the ball around the field. hes only 13-2 as a starter, hate all you want.

yes ginn is overatted but he came on late in the year.

i see the game being within 10 points.

 

[Style]

I posted this question to one of my friends. He's an OSU alum, but he is not a homer. He's always been highly skeptical of any success. He's also very knowledgeable about football in general and the Buckeyes specifically. Anyway, here's our exchange:

> --- James wrote:
>
> > First off, in order to be a ND fan, you must
> possess
> > an inordinate
> > amount of arrogance. For this reason, no matter
> > what the record, ND
> > fans always believe they will win, they have
> better
> > players, they have
> > played better opponents, they have the best coach,
> > they have the best
> > stadium, they have the best...blah, blah, blah.
> >
> > I am generally pessimistic when my Buckeyes are
> > considered, but I felt
> > we should have won every game this season. We are
> > one of the top teams
> > in the country, so I feel we should win this game
> > without too much
> > trouble. Of course, this year we have been
> plagued
> > with turnovers and
> > that has cost us at least the PSU game, but has
> also
> > made games that
> > should not be close, close.
> >
> > In sum, I think we should win 30 - 17. Our
> > defensive speed and
> > athleticism is superior to anything ND has faced
> > this year. Remember,
> > Texas struggled to move the ball consistently (112
> > yds rushing/2.9 per
> > attempt) on us and they are one of the top rated
> > offenses in the country
> > (#1 scoring, #1 rushing). Texas was much more
> > physical than ND,
> > therefore 17 pts instead of 23.
> >
> > On offense, we are starting to become the
> explosive
> > unit everyone
> > foresaw at the beginning of the year. We have one
> > of the best receiver
> > groups in the country, and amazing QB (rush/pass),
> a
> > veteran Oline and
> > an under-rated RB. I feel this offense should be
> > able to score at least
> > aas many points as Stanford did against ND.
> >
> > So, in my not so scientific opinion we win 30 -
> 17.
> > I believe it could
> > be much worse than two TDs if we significantly win
> > the ST and turnover
> > battle.


> --- Cstyle wrote:
> Wow, if James is optimistic, either he's losing his
> mind or I'm totally underestimating my Buckeyes!
>
> I think your arguments for the final score are a
> little suspect, since you base them off of isolated
> previous games. By your way of thinking you could
> also argue that ND will at least score 35 against
> us,
> since Minnie scored 31 and ND is better offensively
> than Minnie. And since OSU is not as good
> offensively
> as USC, and ND held them 34, we will score something
> less than that, and lose the Fiesta Bowl something
> like 35-31.
>
> I hope you're right, but I see it as a pretty close
> match. If we significantly win the turn over and
> field position battle, then we win by two scores,
> otherwise we win a squeaker.


--- James wrote:

> Again, I claimed it was not very scientific, but
> neither is your answer.
> You need to take the consistency issue and apply
> that over the course of
> a season. Minn was our one bad defensive effort.
> Essentially 5 plays
> covered over 300 yards in that game.
>
> If you look at the totals for the season against top
> ranked offenses,
> you will see that our defense has already
> stopped/slowed down several
> good offenses (PSU averages over 400 yards per game
> OSU held them to
> 195). Northwestern had 11 straight games over 400
> yards, total offense
> against OSU = 258. Many more examples exist, but I
> am too lazy to look
> them up.
>
> The same argument does not work for ND. They have
> not put up their
> gaudy offensive numbers against the nation's top
> defenses; quite the
> opposite in fact. The best statistical defense they
> played is most
> likely UTenn (not bowl eligible). Likewise, their
> defensive unit was
> consistently average this year against the Stanfords
> of the world.
>
> Consistency and quality of opposition is the basis
> for my prediction.
> Not completely scientific, but the best I am willing
> to do this close to
> the game.


> --- Cstyle wrote:
Now that's more like it. Those arguments take into account much more of the big picture than your initial arguments.

And I know my answer wasn't scientific. I don't think OSU will lose to ND 35-31. I was only stating it to illustrate how poor your initial answer was.

 

[cavincali]

good stuff cstyle. the minni game was when youbooty got burned but didnt get burned, he just turned around 1/10 of a second to late. besides that the d was solid every game.

the offense will put up 30 points, dame doesnt have anything that will slow this team down. of course if dame has the ball all of the time than that will be a totally different stroy.

and another thing to remember was that a lot of those games at the end of the year the starters only played 3 quaters, or we just ran the ball to kill the clock and show "respect."

 

[Style]

First off, in order to be a ND fan, you must possess an inordinate amount of arrogance.

A Mac, does my buddy James know you? :chuckles:

 

[Mac]

A Mac, does my buddy James know you? :chuckles:

No, I stopped reading after his first paragraph because it shows how stupid he is.

It was probably up ther ewith one of the most ignornat statements ive ever heard.

 

[Style]

No, I stopped reading after his first paragraph because it shows how stupid he is.

It was probably up ther ewith one of the most ignornat statements ive ever heard.

Funny, I've heard you make similar comments to his about Buckeye fans.

Anyway, it sounds like James has you pegged.

 

[Mac]

Not even close. I have never made any statements any where near that.

 

[cavincali]

yes you did you fucking liar. look at post 27.

 

[James]

i hate ND so much Brady Quin is a little prick aand i love how his siter is getting it from a OSU player

 

[Mac]

Looking and I see nothing.

So exactly where am I liar?

"Obviously when two teams ranked ahead of both teams lose, stuff like this is bound to happen.

Moron..


but as for the game, Im excited to watch it. Notre Dame is def not over rated. A very good offense vs a very good defense is what this game breaks down to. I dont think OSU has had to play a team with such a potent passing attack and a great game planning coach.

Its pretty hard to say USC is overrated, last years champs, best player by far in the nation. That is a pretty idiotic comment...USC is an amazing team, what they and Texas did this weekend was an obvious statement how good both teams are.

i like this bowl lineup this year. Good games all across the board."

hmmm..yeah. Thats what I thought. Nothing in that post is even close to being related to what that moron of a Buckeye fan said about Notre Dame fans.

 

[Style]

yes you did you fucking liar. look at post 27.

I've gotta admit, even I'm scratching my head at this one, Cali.

Cali aside, Mr. Bucknuts also thinks all domers are arrogant:

http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/483462.html

This section of the article was particularly enjoyable to read:

let’s sneak a look at the Notre Dame, uh, accomplishments in the last eleven years or so:

1994: Notre Dame starts its skein by losing in the (1995) Fiesta Bowl to Colorado 41-24

1995: In the closest game in this study, the Irish are beaten in the (1996) Orange Bowl 31-26 by a pretty good Florida State squad.

1996: Uhhh, they didn’t make a bowl trip this year. Probably still upset from the previous year…

1997: Notre Dame got beat up by LSU in the Independence Bowl 27-9. You will begin to note the trend of lesser bowls and larger margin of losses…

1998: Georgia Tech out-engineered the Irish 35-28 in the Gator Bowl.

1999: Following another trend, Notre Dame was left out of the bowl picture to reflect upon their previous losses.

2000: Notre Dame got crushed in the (2001) Fiesta Bowl by traditional power Oregon State, 41-9.

2001: Same trend – they skipped this year.

2002: Yet another perennial power (North Carolina State) took up the challenge, smothering Notre Dame 28-6 in the (2003) Gator Bowl.

2003: See ’96, ’99 and ’01. The bowl game people gave the Irish another year off.

2004: Oregon State was back for more Irish stew as they took out Notre Dame 38-21 in that Step-Child of All Bowls, the Insight Bowl.

So let’s add it up. Eleven bowl years, eligible for bowl games in only seven of them, lost all seven, by a total score of 241-123 or an average beat-down of 34-17.

 

[cavincali]

i was fucking aroung bro. and you thought i was serious, im laughing out loud. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :thisguy: cstyle.

 

[PIP]

Who Gives Two Fucks About This Game....fiesta Bowl Means Nothing This Year....

Fuck That Game.

Usc Vs Texas Is The Game...

 

[Mac]

Go Texas.

 

[PIP]

Go Texas.

YEP

Fuck USC....