Report: Bosh decides against returning to Toronto, will seek S&T

[imcavalier]

I'd give them any two or three players on our roster.

 

[GoGetta]

I know we'd have to take on turk but i hope we could get jarret jack instead of jose calderon. we need a defensive pg bad.

 

[Nightperson]

You give up everyone but LeBron to land Bosh... If they dont want Andy that would be a huge plus though but nobody besides LeBron is a deal breaker in a Bosh trade. Its do or die time and just look at the Lakers havin a good bench is nice but having a few greats is what wins in the playoffs.

 

[LyXo]

Our current front court depth is as follows:

Anderson Varejao
Antawn Jamison
JJ Hickson
Leon Powe

I'm still weary about a trade for Chris Bosh. I think he's super soft... and don't know how he'll perform under pressure. Maybe this will be diminised playing next to LeBron, but doesn't leave him protected.

However, for a player of his calibur, you can't hold back on what you trade. Especially when it could mean getting additional quality starters. You also have to think about the other trades that occur to follow up and shape our team.

For instance:

JJ Hickson, Anderson Varejao, Anthony Parker, Sebastian Telfair

for

Chris Bosh, Jarret Jack

Then, turn around and trade

Mo Williams

for

#5 pick, Francisco Garcia, and Spencer Hawes

Things aren't looking as bad as they did. Huge roster makeover, but a slight change in philosophy.

Jarret Jack / Gibson
Welsey Johnson? / Garcia / Danny Green
LeBron James (assuming...) / Moon
Jamison / Powe
Chris Bosh / Hawes

Possible we could get Shaq back and Z for another run... perhaps we could make another move to improve our SG spot... perhaps we could draft a different beast at #5... many possibilities to shake things up.

I'm starting to like the trade a lot more if we get Jarret Jack and trade Mo Williams for some value.

 

[Chris]

I think he's super soft... and don't know how he'll perform under pressure. Maybe this will be diminised playing next to LeBron, but doesn't leave him protected.

He is a better player than Pau Gasol, who was also said to be "soft."

Nuff said. Give me Bosh.

 

[eighter08]

wouldn't almost have to take Hedo back in a S&T for Bosh? Losing JJ and AV, plus the uncertainty of Shaq and Z leaves the front court awfully thin. Turk may be needed

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

Our current front court depth is as follows:

Anderson Varejao
Antawn Jamison
JJ Hickson
Leon Powe

I'm still weary about a trade for Chris Bosh. I think he's super soft... and don't know how he'll perform under pressure. Maybe this will be diminised playing next to LeBron, but doesn't leave him protected.

However, for a player of his calibur, you can't hold back on what you trade. Especially when it could mean getting additional quality starters. You also have to think about the other trades that occur to follow up and shape our team.

For instance:

JJ Hickson, Anderson Varejao, Anthony Parker, Sebastian Telfair

for

Chris Bosh, Jarret Jack

Then, turn around and trade

Mo Williams

for

#5 pick, Francisco Garcia, and Spencer Hawes

Things aren't looking as bad as they did. Huge roster makeover, but a slight change in philosophy.

Jarret Jack / Gibson
Welsey Johnson? / Garcia / Danny Green
LeBron James (assuming...) / Moon
Jamison / Powe
Chris Bosh / Hawes

Possible we could get Shaq back and Z for another run... perhaps we could make another move to improve our SG spot... perhaps we could draft a different beast at #5... many possibilities to shake things up.

I'm starting to like the trade a lot more if we get Jarret Jack and trade Mo Williams for some value.

I don't think what you're proposing is feasible for a couple different reasons. I think if we get Bosh, we're going to have to absorb either Calderon or Turkoglu. They're not gonna give us Jack too (although I'd like him). Also, Bosh would be signed and traded for the max. So, you'd have to trade players to take either Calderon or Turkoglu first, then trade for Bosh (since you cannot trade S&T'd players with other players). The money won't add up.

Now if you were to do:

Trade #1: Sign and Trade Wally Szczerbiak ($7.5M) plus cash to Toronto for Hedo Turkoglu conditional on the following trade:

Trade #2: Anderson Varejao, Delonte West, Sebastain Telfair, J.J. Hickson, rights to Christian Eyenga, and 2011 second round draft pick for Chris Bosh and Raptors 2010 first round pick

That might make a little bit more sense for both sides. The Cavs outgoing salary = approximately $16M (~15.8M) which should be in range for Chris Bosh's max salary. The Eyenga rights and future draft pick may act as sweeteners and may help us pry this year's lottery pick from the Raps. Use that pick to draft a project big man. I am no draft guru, so I'm not sure if there's anyone worth nabbing at #13.

So to sum up for Toronto you essentially are trading:

Anderson Varejao, Delonte West, Sebastain Telfair, J.J. Hickson, Wally Szczerbiak's corpse, the rights to Christian Eyenga, and a future second round pick for: Chris Bosh, Hedo Turkoglu, and this year's first round pick. That's talent, expirings, and addition by subtraction (Turkeyglu).

I also do not think Sacramento makes that trade involving Mo Williams. I don't see them giving up the #5 too. Use Mo, and maybe the #13 from the Raptors to get a good young center. Maybe Mo Williams, Jamario Moon, and #13 to Minnesota for Al Jefferson?

PG: LeBron James/Daniel Gibson
SG: Anthony Parker/Danny Green
SF: Hedo Turkoglu/Antawn Jamison
PF: Chris Bosh/Leon Powe
C: Al Jefferson/FA Signing/Sasha Kaun

It's all spectulation of course, but I think the Toronto trade would be a lot tougher than you realize and yeah, I'm willing to trade the farm to put a legit #2 superstar next to LeBron.

 

[Mdog1]

We are not getting a top 10 player and a lottery pick in the same trade. We should look else where for a lottery pick, but Torotno is not giving us theirs.

 

[Triumph36]

Then, turn around and trade

Mo Williams

for

#5 pick, Francisco Garcia, and Spencer Hawes

Things aren't looking as bad as they did. Huge roster makeover, but a slight change in philosophy.

Jarret Jack / Gibson
Welsey Johnson? / Garcia / Danny Green
LeBron James (assuming...) / Moon
Jamison / Powe
Chris Bosh / Hawes

First, Mo is not worth close to that much. Yes, Garcia has a bad contract, but #5 is still high enough to get a player who can have a serious impact and Hawes is a solid young center .Maybe if we could somehow work Noc into the deal, but that deal as is....Sac says no pretty easily.

And that front court would not work. The main reason why a Bargs/Bosh front court didn't work was because both players are jumpshooters. You need some sort of inside presence, both offensively and defensively. Bosh is not that.

 

[Mdog1]

First, Mo is not worth close to that much. Yes, Garcia has a bad contract, but #5 is still high enough to get a player who can have a serious impact and Hawes is a solid young center .Maybe if we could somehow work Noc into the deal, but that deal as is....Sac says no pretty easily.

And that front court would not work. The main reason why a Bargs/Bosh front court didn't work was because both players are jumpshooters. You need some sort of inside presence, both offensively and defensively. Bosh is not that.

Bosh and Bargs doesn't work because they have no one else who is a legitimate threat offensively. Sure they have Turk, Calderon, Jack but truly they are not legitimate scoring threats like LeBron is. I agree that I would not want Hawes and Bosh to start, but it is not just Bargs/Bosh that doesn't work it is the entire roster.

 

[CardiacCavs]

Hollinger seems to think that Bosh is going to L.A. (Lakers) Man...that would be so fucked up. No point in even watching the NBA anymore after that.

 

[Chris]

Hollinger seems to think that Bosh is going to L.A. (Lakers) Man...that would be so fucked up. No point in even watching the NBA anymore after that.

Not sure why he thinks that. I don't think the Raptors will take Bynum.

 

[Triumph36]

It wouldn't really be fucked up at all assuming it's Bynum and not Gasol going to Toronto. Bosh for Bynum straight up is pretty much their best option.

If it's for Gasol though...then lol.

 

[Chris]

It wouldn't really be fucked up at all assuming it's Bynum and not Gasol going to Toronto. Bosh for Bynum straight up is pretty much their best option.

If it's for Gasol though...then lol.

Hmm? Not sure I follow.

Gasol for Bosh would just be a sidegrade for LA. Is that what you mean? They legitimately get better with Bynum for Bosh, I think, but Toronto wouldn't do that if they have any common sense because Bynum can't even stay healthy.

 

[Mdog1]

I doubt that happens tbh. The Lakers already are paying Bosh to play on their team. Without Bynum their defense becomes half of what it was this year because they don't have someone to patrol the paint like Bynum does. Also Odom misses out on a lot of playing time if Bosh goes to LAL. And the worst part is i guarantee that Bosh would not get half of the shots that he deserves so he will become mad, either that or Kobe doesn't get his shots and we know what happens when Kobe doesn't get his shots. Or Gasol doesn't get his, it doesn't matter somebody is not going to get their deserved shots and that will lead to them being unhappy.