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Win or lose this series and championship, we need to make some moves

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This team needs a LOT of help. Especially on the bench but also starters in the front court. Nothing you can do in one offseason. I don't see Ferry having much room to do squat.

Then you're blind. We will make some very solid, quality moves this offseason. The Chinese partnership only helps matters.

This is why LeBron doesn't just admit he wants to stay in Cleveland. Ferry will be pulling out all the stops this offseason.
 
Just because we don't match up w/ ONE team, we need A LOT of help?

We didn't win SIXTY-SIX games by accident..

This is exactly what I hope Danny Ferry doesn't do this offseason.. over react & panic..

We don't need to rebuild.. we need a couple more (or better) pieces.. that's it

The team we'll be battling in the East for the next 5 years, yes, I think so. Presuming Lebron even stays after this debacle.

I agree a couple more pieces could put us over the top, but that is a LOT when you're talking about such a slim margin for error.

Then you're blind. We will make some very solid, quality moves this offseason. The Chinese partnership only helps matters.

This is why LeBron doesn't just admit he wants to stay in Cleveland. Ferry will be pulling out all the stops this offseason.

Ok, how the hell will we have any flexibility to add All Star talent this offseason? Educate me, I am open ears. it's not like I hope I'm right.
 
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This team needs a LOT of help. Especially on the bench but also starters in the front court. Nothing you can do in one offseason. I don't see Ferry having much room to do squat.

You hit the nail on the head. If we would have signed Pietrus this offseason, we win this series in 4 or 5. We don't have anyone off the bench who can do anything for us at the 1-3 positions except Sasha in game 2. No one can defend, no one can score. Pietrus can do both to some extent.

The problem is we don't have a big and we don't have a Posey or Pietrus off the bench to make big shots and play good D.
 
Ok, how the hell will we have any flexibility to add All Star talent this offseason? Educate me, I am open ears. it's not like I hope I'm right.

Come back and find me after the offseason...I'm not the GM. I'll tell you then, after Ferry makes his moves.

But right now I have a team that's still playing THIS season. Imma go watch them.
 
Ok, how the hell will we have any flexibility to add All Star talent this offseason? Educate me, I am open ears. it's not like I hope I'm right.

Well the only way to do it is through trade.

Think about this:

Judging from W&G's post, the Chinese partnership will allow us to make moves that we otherwise wouldn't be able to make. Where am I going with this? Well, obviously you can't bend the rules of the salary cap and offer over MLE for someone when you're over the cap, but that doesn't prevent you from buying whoever you want. What does that mean? The draft folks, the draft. If money is no object, or at least not much of one (even with Gilbert it was rarely an object, but with the Chinese investors, it shouldn't be one at all), who's to say we don't offer 5-10 million plus Sasha to OK City for the third pick and draft THABEET, or do something similar with another team?


Don't know if that thought is at all true, but read this line:

The new ownership arrangement allows us the ability to do what it will take to put together what could be one of the greatest teams ever built. We have alot of ways and means at Danny's disposal to make some dramatic moves under the salary cap guidelines in which to bring in some key and integral pieces to reach our highest of levels.

So we're going to build one of the greatest teams ever just by trading pieces? Don't think so. The pieces we have aren't worth enough to get more than one great big piece. Buying picks doesn't do anything to your salary cap and doesn't break any rules from what I know, and there's a lot of teams out there that would love 5-10 million dollars right now.

If anyone thinks this team is anywhere near it's peak in terms of player personnel, they aren't looking at what we are now capable of doing and planning to do in the coming months.

Does this not point to buying players through the draft? I mean, if we're already over the salary cap, we can't just go and sign someone for $15 million and another person for $20 million. No way you just make a dynasty with amazing player personnel by signing someone for MLE every year.
 
Well the only way to do it is through trade.

Think about this:

Judging from W&G's post, the Chinese partnership will allow us to make moves that we otherwise wouldn't be able to make. Where am I going with this? Well, obviously you can't bend the rules of the salary cap and offer over MLE for someone when you're over the cap, but that doesn't prevent you from buying whoever you want. What does that mean? The draft folks, the draft. If money is no object, or at least not much of one (even with Gilbert it was rarely an object, but with the Chinese investors, it shouldn't be one at all), who's to say we don't offer 5-10 million plus Sasha to OK City for the third pick and draft THABEET, or do something similar with another team?


Don't know if that thought is at all true, but read this line:



So we're going to build one of the greatest teams ever just by trading pieces? Don't think so. The pieces we have aren't worth enough to get more than one great big piece. Buying picks doesn't do anything to your salary cap and doesn't break any rules from what I know, and there's a lot of teams out there that would love 5-10 million dollars right now.



Does this not point to buying players through the draft? I mean, if we're already over the salary cap, we can't just go and sign someone for $15 million and another person for $20 million. No way you just make a dynasty with amazing player personnel by signing someone for MLE every year.

Great quotes but W&G hypes a lot of things, like the Amare rumors that never really materialized.

If this team is going to be capable of some big time moves this offseason, great. I'm just not holding my breath until I see something concrete or at least suggestions of options.
 
I know one thing, we desperately need someone like Perkins who can guard the paint. I'd love to get a low post scorer as well.
 
Great quotes but W&G hypes a lot of things, like the Amare rumors that never really materialized.

If this team is going to be capable of some big time moves this offseason, great. I'm just not holding my breath until I see something concrete or at least suggestions of options.

So you don't think that the way we will be getting tons of talented players down the road and build one of the greatest teams ever isn't through using the Chinese $$ to buy draft picks? Plus, he said "what could be" if we were somehow going to trade for Amare, sign Yao, sign Wade, and trade for Chris Paul, it'd be a sure thing.

If we were going to draft in the top 5 every year because we buy a top 5 pick from a desperate team every year, then the player has to pan out and there's no guarantee. With Amare, Yao, Wade, and CP3, there's no "could" in "The new ownership arrangement allows us the ability to do what it will take to put together what could be one of the greatest teams ever built." That would be "we will put together..." if we had those players. Heck, even two of them.

I could be totally wrong, but we've already heard plenty about teams looking to shop picks because the draft isn't as great this year and if the Chinese and Gilbert are willing to fork over the $$, wouldn't we be dumb not to buy a pick or two in the top 10?
 
So you don't think that the way we will be getting tons of talented players down the road and build one of the greatest teams ever isn't through using the Chinese $$ to buy draft picks? Plus, he said "what could be" if we were somehow going to trade for Amare, sign Yao, sign Wade, and trade for Chris Paul, it'd be a sure thing.

If we were going to draft in the top 5 every year because we buy a top 5 pick from a desperate team every year, then the player has to pan out and there's no guarantee. With Amare, Yao, Wade, and CP3, there's no "could" in "The new ownership arrangement allows us the ability to do what it will take to put together what could be one of the greatest teams ever built." That would be "we will put together..." if we had those players. Heck, even two of them.

I could be totally wrong, but we've already heard plenty about teams looking to shop picks because the draft isn't as great this year and if the Chinese and Gilbert are willing to fork over the $$, wouldn't we be dumb not to buy a pick or two in the top 10?

We need another All Star, not a project from this year's draft, though. Agree?
 
I bet one of the first things we will do is check the availability of Bosh and what it would take to get him. The only thing we could really do is offer them a bunch of financial relief. Give them Bens 14m expiring, JJ Hickson, and Pavs along with cash and picks for Bosh and Kapono. I know it seems almost impossible but i think we could have a shot at him with that deal if they want to cut cost.

Ben gives them more flexibility down the road with their cap situation, so does Sasha but he could also save them 4m now if they chose to wave him since his contract is only partially guaranteed, Hickson gives them a pf to develop. Bargnani finally showed signs of being a guy they could possibly build around so that could make it easier for them to part with Bosh knowing they have a guy their to be the face of their franchise. They would probably love to get out of Kapono's remaining two seasons. So i think we could have an outside shot.
 
If i have a choice, in the perfect world to retool with this current roster into a true contender talentwise. Z will be gone, AV and West will come off the bench. Yes, only Mo and Lebron will be starters and MO will at best be a #3 scoring option.

So yes, it needs retooling, rebuilding, whatever you want to call it. Z can't have a place on a championship team, except being a 5th big. AV and west are good bench players. Say bye to Wally, he needs to retire. Say bye to ben, he needs to retire too.

We need players to play at their own proper role where his talents allow him to. We can't force a #4 option (Mo) to be a #2 option. We can't force bench players (AV and West) to be starters. We can't force players who has nothing left to be effective bench players (Ben Wally, Z). It is the reality.

I don't believe the matchups are THE PROBLEM, it is part of the problem, but matchup could be hedged. But the bigger part of the problem is that the Cavs has no one besides Lebron that could play bigtime in big time. Whatever happens with the Magic will happen eventually against a more talented team in the playoffs regardless of their style. They play you to a tight game, last 3 mins. Chances are, Lebron will be Lebron, Mo will go back to his #4 option self, Delonte will go back to being that multi-talented bench guy, AV be back to that bench Guy, Z will simply dissappear. Besides Lebron, evryone else will scrawl back to their comfort role where their talent allows them to be, there's no hiding it. And no chemistry can help to avoid this from eventually happening.

When you have Hedo deferring to Shard, or Shard deferring to Dwight (vice versa) in crunch time, that's real chemistry, because each great player have their own strength and a big ego, it takes a lot to defer to one another and say maybe this time it is better for you to make the impact, when you can do that and had success with it during the course of the season, it does not takes any photo-ops to build it. They don't need to love being around each other, that does not help what to do with the last 3 mins of a tight playoff game. It is the same with Boston KG/Ray/PP last season. The Cavs, on the otherhand, does not have another player (not to say 2) that does any one thing better Lebron himself. Lebron is even hitting his 3pt better than anyone else in these playoffs. Comparing the egos of the role players and Lebron, are like peanuts to watermelon, as Lebron is just too much better than anyone else on this team. Everyone automatically defers to Lebron in crunch time, and happily too. Every team in the nba knows that, and they know that until the Cavs get a true #2 guy (someone thats better than Lebron in SOMETHING offensively, when you throw hime the ball, It could be a true pg, it could be a great post player. ) they are going to defend the Cavs the same way, year after year. Getting Mo williams is always a plus, because that makes the Cavs more consistent offensively in the regular season (thus 66wins), but in terms of actual competitiveness in the playoffs, there's no difference between this year and last year. Except Lebron is a whole lot better this year by himself.

I have no idea how Ferry could make it work, but if the 66 wins is gonna cloud his judgement, then this postseason (if they lose) will really be a total waste, as when you are exposed, you want your management to look clearly on the true colors and calibers of your own players. Don't keep going back the 66wins and lie to yourself, Danny.
I have no idea how Ferry could make it work, but if the 66 wins is gonna cloud his judgement, then this postseason (if they lose) will really be a total waste, as when you are exposed, you want your management to look clearly on the true colors and calibers of your own players. Don't keep going back the 66wins and lie to yourself, Danny.
 
Think about this:

Judging from W&G's post, the Chinese partnership will allow us to make moves that we otherwise wouldn't be able to make. Where am I going with this? Well, obviously you can't bend the rules of the salary cap and offer over MLE for someone when you're over the cap, but that doesn't prevent you from buying whoever you want. What does that mean? The draft folks, the draft. If money is no object, or at least not much of one (even with Gilbert it was rarely an object, but with the Chinese investors, it shouldn't be one at all), who's to say we don't offer 5-10 million plus Sasha to OK City for the third pick and draft THABEET, or do something similar with another team?
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The NBA has a limit regarding how much money can be included in a trade. This would apply to any attempts to buy a draft pick. If memory serves, the limit is $3 million.
 
Mo Delonte LeBron these must stay.

Pick up kidd on the MLE, this allows us to add boobie into any kind of trades.

So, Point Guards : Mo, Kidd, Delonte, TK

This will mean will can also play Mo as a shooting guard.

Shooting Guards : Delonte, Mo, TK

IF we can trade for either Amare, or Bosh we MUST do it.

I'm thinking, Ben, Boobie, Sasha, DJ + 1st for either of them plus a few bench players.

On the centre front, Lets get Big Shaqtus himself.

Give them a draft pick and a role player - Wally

So The team in full would be.

Mo, Delonte, LeBron, Amare//Bosh, Shaq

Bench : Kidd, AV, TK, DJ, JJ Hickson + Role players from trades.
 
can we trade our whole bench to the front court of the Phoenix Suns??? Seriously, man.
 

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