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Win or lose this series and championship, we need to make some moves

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cmstophe said:
Ok, how the hell will we have any flexibility to add All Star talent this offseason? Educate me, I am open ears. it's not like I hope I'm right.
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Well, we have Wally's $13 million contract coming off the books. Will he be re-signed (for ALOT less)? Doubtful.
Our biggest trade chips are Ben's $14.5 million expiring plus Sasha's $4 million-some (only $1.5 million guaranteed).
Z's contract is an expiring, I think.
I believe Danny Ferry is going to take a hard line in the off-season negotiations with Varejao. Andy is a very good backup PF/C but should not get anywhere near starter money. I wouldn't pay him any more that $5-6 million/year but hey that's just me.

So we potentially have the cap space to add some quality talent in the off-season. Something needs to get done because we just don't match up well with Orlando or the Lakers.
 
The same needs that were there and most of us recognized before the season are still there now. The Orlando series hasn't changed anything.
Ferry knows what this team needs. Not every hole can get filled all at once. Last offseason he got Mo Williams for nothing and filled a big hole in the backcourt. The draft helped toward achieving the goal of adding youth and players who can be here for the long term to the frontcourt.
I expect more youth and length to be added up front and an attempt made to get a solid athletic wing player with size who can replace Wally and Sasha. There may even be a quick true PG added since that's where the remaining quality might be at #30 in the draft.

Cavs went 66-16 and swept through the 1st two rounds of the playoffs. There's no reason to panic. Just continue down the same path we're headed and continue to fill holes and build.

We need to remember Orlando could have problems keeping their team together this offseason. Turkoglu will opt out of his contract and will look for big money. Gortat is a RFA and is in line for a pretty good payday. Orlando would have to go pretty well into luxury tax territory to keep everyone and satisfy their contract demands. It remains to be seen just how high of a payroll their ownership wants have and if they're willing to pay a decent sized luxury tax.
 
Here's what I would do if I were Danny Ferry this offseason. Yes, this is the Grand Slam approach, lots of variables, but I think what I propose is reasonable all around.

This offseason, the money on the books is a little over $69 million. This is with Wally, Lorenzen, and Joe gone from the books. Now onto my moves.

*Sign David Lee with MLE = $5.5M 4 year deal
*Sign Ramon Sessions with BAE = $1.5M 3 year deal
*Re-sign Joe Smith $3.5M 2 year deal
*Negotiate with Andy if he exercises his player option and sign him to a $7.5M 4 year deal

3-Way Trade with Toronto and New Orleans

Cleveland Cavaliers
Outgoing: Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, David Lee, J.J. Hickson
Incoming: Chris Bosh, Antonio Daniels, James Posey

Salaries
O: -$25.8M
I: +$26.2M
Net: +$0.4M

New Orleans Hornets
Outgoing: David West, Peja Stojakovich, James Posey, Antonio Daniels
Incoming: Andrea Bargnani, David Lee, Sasha Pavlovic, Ben wallace

Salaries
O: -$34M
I: +$29.2M*
Net: -$7.8M

*Sasha Pavlovic's contract only guaranteed $1.5M. Actually could = $26.2M

Toronto Raptors
Outgoing: Chris Bosh, Andrea Bargnani
Incoming: David West, Peja Stojakovich, J.J. Hickson

Salaries
O: $19.5M
I: $23.7M
Net: +$4.2M

Analysis & Updated Cleveland Cavaliers Roster:

C: Anderson Varejao/Zydrunas Ilgauskas
PF: Chris Bosh/Joe Smith/Darnell Jackson
SF: LeBron James/James Posey
SG: Delonte West/Daniel Gibson/Antonio Daniels
PG: Mo Williams/Ramon Sessions

**This leaves us with 12 spots not counting our two picks in the 2009 NBA draft. Perhaps another SF/Wing and PG/combo guard with our picks?

We pick up another All-Star, only this one is also an Olympian too. We solve our problem with an inside presence. He's no powerhouse like Amar'e, but he's definitely a mega upgrade. You could probably adjust some pieces here and there and pull off a trade for Amar'e using similar moves. The big thing here though is I was able to do this without touching our starting lineup. The key to the trade is the successful signing of FA David Lee AKA The Double-Double Machine. James Posey is an improved version of Wally Szczerbiak capable of playing great defense while still contributing solid offensive weaponry off the bench. Speaking of our bench, I also used the BAE to acquire Ramon Sessions from Milwaukee. Sure he's still young, but I think he's a pretty capable scorer and has some real upside. We pick up Antonio Daniels just because I lifted him off of New Orleans to make figures work, his contract expires after next season though. I would like to keep Joe around. Yeah, I know he's an older guy, but I think he is extremely good off the bench and can provide solid minutes while perhaps mentoring Darnell. I'd like to see Darnell work on his game in a big time way this summer so he can expand upon those flashes of brilliance we saw during the regular season.

New Orleans saves almost $8M immediately (which gets them almost underneath the salary cap), and looks to bring more off their books after next season, freeing them up for some possible moves for the Magic FA Summer of 2010. They lose David West, but in this trade I included more talent, talent that is also young and could form a nice core with Chris Paul: David Lee and Andrea Bargnani. Ben and Sasha can come off the bench and provide them with minutes as required by the situation. But, they are there mainly to ease salary. Toronto may not be satisfied with the trade as is, and perhaps New Orleans could be coaxed into giving up their #21 pick? Even though Toronto loses Chris Bosh and Bargnani they get another All-Star back in David West and a solid vet in Peja, even if he was injured this season. We lose J.J. Hickson, but they gain a kid with incredible upside with a nice cheap salary. Toronto may be able to get Tyson instead of Peja, it would depend on the situation.

Total 2009-10 Cleveland Cavaliers Salary (excluding salaries from NBA Draft picks) = $74.7
(Although in actuality, it may not be such a bad thing to hang on to David Lee and see what else develops.)
 
Marvin Williams would be a great pickup, young 6"8 with a 7"3 wingspan, would be able to matchup with the Magic, and he can score.
 
Stop with the 'the sky is falling' posts, lol...


Ideally this offseason, we do this:
Re-Sign AV
Use option on Kinsey
Trade For Bosh (JJ Picks Ben & Sasha for Bosh / Kapono?)
Sign Gortat with MLE
Buy Draft picks, Teams like NO, PHX, etc..

Come into next year essentially with the same team...

Line-up of:
Mo / Boobie / Draft Pick
Delonte / Kinsey
Lebron / Kapono
Bosh / Varejao
Gortat / Z / Draft Pick


Pretty much, we NEED a younger Frontcourt, and we NEED to keep the Core in-tact.
 
I know that the chic thing to do around here is to accept as a given that a Wallace+Hickson+#30 pick will land us either Amare or Bosh. I'm going to do something really unpopular around these parts, and suggest that maybe, just MAYBE, Phoenix or Toronto might not be looking to get fleeced this summer... and suggest that maybe those trades are just a wee-wittle-bit unrealistic.

Obviously, we'll call and offer. Let's assume that Phoenix and Toronto say no.

Most of our trade options this summer are going to be recycled options that have been discussed here many times before. Golden State, for example, was a possibility last summer too. In general, we tend to overestimate what an expiring contract can bring back in a trade - but I can see scenarios, however, where Golden State might want to move some long-term contracts like Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, and/or Jamal Crawford. Ben Wallace's contract, maybe with some Kinsey-or-Darnell-type-filler, might just be enough to bring back two of the three.

Indiana strikes me as another potential break-out-the-dynamite team. If a team would be willing to take on Jamaal Tinsley's contract, I'm guessing that they'd consider giving up anybody besides Granger for expiring contracts. Troy Murphy, anyone?

There's always Milwaukee. Richard Jefferson was a hot rumor last trade deadline. But maybe it's not crazy to think that we might go down the Michael Redd road once again. Wallace+Pavlovic+Kinsey for Redd+Gadzuric would clear enough salary for them to re-sign Villanueva and Sessions this summer...

And while we're recycling trade options... would Ben Wallace be enough to bring back Vince Carter?
 
I still like my idea of Ben + Sasha for Shaq + Dudley. Ben can request a buyout and return for all I care.
 
Joel said:
I know that the chic thing to do around here is to accept as a given that a Wallace+Hickson+#30 pick will land us either Amare or Bosh. I'm going to do something really unpopular around these parts, and suggest that maybe, just MAYBE, Phoenix or Toronto might not be looking to get fleeced this summer... and suggest that maybe those trades are just a wee-wittle-bit unrealistic.

Obviously, we'll call and offer. Let's assume that Phoenix and Toronto say no.

I'm trying to think outside the box here, and suggest something that hasn't been suggested before, at least not in awhile... I've landed on Golden State. They have some talent, but it led them to a terrible record and I can see them as a team that might consider breaking out the dynamite.

In general, people tend to overestimate what an expiring contract can bring back in a trade. I can scenarios, however, where Golden State might want to move some contracts like Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, and/or Jamal Crawford. Ben Wallace's contract, maybe with some Kinsey-or-Darnell-type-filler, might just be enough to bring back two of the three.

Indiana strikes me as another potential outside-of-the-box, break-out-the-dynamite team. If a team would be willing to take on Jamaal Tinsley's contract, I'm guessing that they'd consider giving up anybody besides Granger for expiring contracts. Troy Murphy, anyone?
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We wouldn't want troy; he's over-paid, and aging, and he doesn't give us enough immediately to justify paying him 8 figures in 2 years.. if we're going to be paying any aging player 8 figures it better be someone like Vince Carter or Richard Jefferson..

Again, Corey, Jamal, and S-jax are all overpaid, not worth the money... except maybe S-Jax but he's untouchable apparently, was just r-e-signed for another 3 years. I'd say tyson Chandler would be a nice piece to aquire, in lieu of Bosh.. he would of course, compliment JJ very nicely but for next year we'd still have the same issues.

Other players i can think of trading for.. hmm

Raja Bell, Jason Richardson... Kirilenko might fit, not sure about his contract, its pretty bad... And unless you want Redd, there's not much out there...


#1 priority though has to be swinging a deal for Bosh (a 3 way might work best), then deal with Swing-men... (of course we need to re-sign our players)
 
Joel said:
Then there's always Milwaukee. Richard Jefferson was a hot rumor last trade deadline. But maybe it's not crazy to think that we might go down the Michael Redd road once again. Wallace+Pavlovic+Kinsey for Redd+Gadzuric would clear enough salary for them to re-sign Villanueva and Sessions this summer...

And while we're recycling trade options... would Ben Wallace be enough to bring back Vince Carter?
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Honestly, i would rather take back Charlie Bell rather than Gadzuric, and have them give us a draft pick for taking such a bad contract off them... lol


or if we take gadzuric, get a draft pick from them, either way, our expiring have as much value as their players... due solely to their horrible contracts lol.
 
we could also try a S&T for marion, something like Marion + Someone from Toronto for Ben + Draft picks..


Mo / Boobie
Delonte / Kinsey
LeBron / Pavlovic / Kapono
Marion / JJ / Darnell
Andy / Z

Sign Gortat with MLE, or Kidd, can Cut Sasha if needed;

Mo / Kidd
Delonte / Boobie / Kinsey
LeBron / Kapono / Kinsey
Marion / JJ / Darnell
Andy / Gortat / Z


Run n Gun much?
 
The temptation of a championship right now would do it, IMO.
 
Under the circumstances, I don't think the Suns or the Raptors get full market value for Stoudimire and Bosh, respectively. Both of these guys can pretty much dictate where they go or at least where they won't go. Therefore, I think the Cavs have a chance to land one or the other of these guys. (not saying we can present the best offer but I think Ferry will give it his best shot given the frontcourt weaknesses exposed by the Magic)
 
Gymbo said:
Here's what I would do if I were Danny Ferry this offseason. Yes, this is the Grand Slam approach, lots of variables, but I think what I propose is reasonable all around.

This offseason, the money on the books is a little over $69 million. This is with Wally, Lorenzen, and Joe gone from the books. Now onto my moves.

*Sign David Lee with MLE = $5.5M 4 year deal
*Sign Ramon Sessions with BAE = $1.5M 3 year deal
*Re-sign Joe Smith $3.5M 2 year deal
*Negotiate with Andy if he exercises his player option and sign him to a $7.5M 4 year deal

3-Way Trade with Toronto and New Orleans

Cleveland Cavaliers
Outgoing: Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, David Lee, J.J. Hickson
Incoming: Chris Bosh, Antonio Daniels, James Posey

Salaries
O: -$25.8M
I: +$26.2M
Net: +$0.4M

New Orleans Hornets
Outgoing: David West, Peja Stojakovich, James Posey, Antonio Daniels
Incoming: Andrea Bargnani, David Lee, Sasha Pavlovic, Ben wallace

Salaries
O: -$34M
I: +$29.2M*
Net: -$7.8M

*Sasha Pavlovic's contract only guaranteed $1.5M. Actually could = $26.2M

Toronto Raptors
Outgoing: Chris Bosh, Andrea Bargnani
Incoming: David West, Peja Stojakovich, J.J. Hickson

Salaries
O: $19.5M
I: $23.7M
Net: +$4.2M

Analysis & Updated Cleveland Cavaliers Roster:

C: Anderson Varejao/Zydrunas Ilgauskas
PF: Chris Bosh/Joe Smith/Darnell Jackson
SF: LeBron James/James Posey
SG: Delonte West/Daniel Gibson/Antonio Daniels
PG: Mo Williams/Ramon Sessions
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Gymbo, I appreciate your creativity, but there is not one thing in this scenario that is anywhere near reasonable.

1.) David Lee for the MLE? Are you kidding, he'll be shooting for 10 mil per, if it was just the MLE the Knicks would match in a heartbeat.

2.) Sessions can bring in around 6-8 mil, he's also restricted, the Bucks would match the Bi annual in a heartbeat.

3.) We don't have bird rights on Joe Smith, so any attempt by us to sign him would have to be with our midlevel.

4.) After signing David Lee, we'd have to wait 90 days before we could trade him, per the CBA.

5.) Why would toronto give up two good young players if they're looking to rebuild? In your proposed deal they get older and worse, they'd want more young talent back then David West.

Deal makes zero sense. Sorry...
 
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