Windhorst: Cavs May Call Pistons Soon

[Jaythetruth]

I've always been in love with Prince and i always wanted him with the cavs. I love the way he plays Paul Pierce, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, ect; but at this point, the cavs don't need his bad contract. He just wouldn't fit in here but im damn sure i don't want any other contenders to get him. I heard Spurs wanted him but i would die if he went to boston or orlando.

Would i like to have him and Rip? Yes but do we need them? No. Our sights are set on a scoring 4. But now that i think about it, we could play him at the 4 sometimes. He would cause alot of match-up problems but yet again we don't need that contract. Hes not worth what he makes.

 

[el_capitan]

What is the need to upgrade the SG position?
We've got a great perimeter defender in Delonte West who can cut to the rack.
Plus several top-notch spot-up shooters in Mo, AP, Delonte, and Boobie to take advantage of LeBron/Shaq double-teams.
Even our 7'3" C is out on the arc launching threes.
There's a reason this team leads the NBA in 3-pt%.
And hark!...what yonder cometh?...why lo and behold, it's Wad": a combo 6'9" SF/SG who is really looking solid.
What was he doing riding the pine last year?!?!!?!?

If anything, we're STACKED at SG.
We need Jamison...Jamison is da' man!!!!!

Wad is a combo SF/PF, he is not a shooting guard at all. And just because Z can shoot 3's doesn't mean he is playing SG for us.

 

[jlegg21]

Look at this roster, guys... cmon.

Team Roster
NO. NAME POS AGE HT WT COLLEGE 2009 - 2010 SALARY
17 Chucky Atkins PG 35 5-11 185 South Florida $825,497
38 Kwame Brown C 27 6-11 270 $4,000,000
12 Will Bynum PG 27 6-0 185 Georgia Tech $825,497
5 Austin Daye SF 21 6-11 200 Gonzaga $1,677,840
7 Ben Gordon SG 26 6-3 200 Connecticut $10,000,000
32 Richard Hamilton SG 31 6-7 193 Connecticut $11,375,000
33 Jonas Jerebko F 22 6-10 231 $457,588
54 Jason Maxiell PF 26 6-7 260 Cincinnati $5,000,000
22 Tayshaun Prince SF 29 6-9 215 Kentucky $10,324,380
3 Rodney Stuckey PG 23 6-5 205 Eastern Washington $1,805,040
35 DaJuan Summers F 21 6-8 240 Georgetown $457,588
31 Charlie Villanueva PF 25 6-11 232 Connecticut $6,500,000
6 Ben Wallace C 35 6-9 240 Virginia Union $825,497
9 Chris Wilcox PF 27 6-10 235 Maryland $3,000,000

Other than maybe a project guy like Summers or Jerebko for depth, is there ANYONE on this roster you'd add to a championship contender like Cleveland? Any player worth half a crap makes at least twice what they're worth.

Look elsewhere, Danny...

 

[kovanovich]

Wad is a combo SF/PF, he is not a shooting guard at all. And just because Z can shoot 3's doesn't mean he is playing SG for us.

Jawad may not be a guard, but he has played some spot minutes at guard, just as Moon was doing. In fact, Moon should be added to the list of our SG candidates. By the way, having too many players who can theoretically play a certain position is often a sign that you aren't very strong at that position. You are trying to make up for quality with numbers and scotch tape.

Ferry has been reported by Windy to be inquiring into SGs around the league since the Delonte incident broke in September. It's hard for me to see how we could get Hamilton (or Prince) without moving Delonte, and doing that creates an additional problem -- you'd need to get a backup for Mo. I know someone in this thread managed to create a three team deal where we wouldn't have to give up either Delonte or Z for Hamilton, and hey, why not, I'm fine with that, but I'm not exactly convinced any team out there is eager to get Boobie Gibson.

I don't suppose Detroit would be interested in a trade involving Z and West for Hamilton and Villanueva. It'd allow them the chance to partially redo their last off-season and allow them to be big players in the 2010 free agent market (Carlos Boozer anyone?) by getting out from under Hamilton's bad contract. But my sense is that RCF wouldn't like that trade.

 

[imahustla]

but that would mean we can't get Jamison

I know dude :shakehead

 

[Paddington]

Wad is a combo SF/PF, he is not a shooting guard at all.

On paper, you may be right. But pay attention to the sets Mike Brown is using in regards to Jawad. Here is BW's observation from the Denver game. In fact, JW is being employed more and more as an SG:

So I was wrong about Jawad Williams, he was in the rotation after all. He came in for LeBron and stayed in and moved to shooting guard because he was playing such excellent defense. If he continues playing defense like that he is going to force Mike Brown to keep playing him. Which is what you want from a bench player.

And just because Z can shoot 3's doesn't mean he is playing SG for us.

Z is not a SG but he is a very unique C in the NBA. He has almost no inside game at all...he mostly utilizes his outside shot off of pick-and-rolls, LeBron drive-and-kicks, and double-teams.

If you look at how Ferry has constructed his SG rotation, it's mostly pure shooters (Boobie) or guys who play off the ball as in Mo and Delonte. The Cavs seem to want guys who can shoot (off LeBron double-teams) and/or guys who play D...not the Larry Hughes slasher-type of SG.

My point is that we have enough shooters and our SG position is pretty solid and no need to upgrade via trade. Of course, that's just my opinion and I could very well be wrong. Certainly not the first and definitely not the last time...

 

[Big O]

Two things IMO,one,I can`t see the Pistons asking for much at all and two,if we had Rip and Jamison,there are two guys that wouldn`t be standing around watching Lebron dribble the clock away unless Mr. Potato head said to spread the floor and stand there,these two are perpetual motion.

 

[Zone]

Listening to Brian on KNR this afternoon he said that Prince and Rip Hamilton are going to be made available soon and he said the Cavs are looking to see if they can upgrade the SG position, so they will call Detroit to see what it might take to get a Rip Hamilton. He said that it would be difficult due to the fact that Det's first priority is not to dump salary, but get young talent. However a thrid team could get involved.

There was talk within the last week that DET had interest in Boozer but all they were offering Utah was Prince or Rip, and that Utah wasn't too interested because they didn't want to take on salary past this year since Boozer's already an expiring.

 

[Wes]

Man, I thought Jamison's contract was ugly, but looking at Hamilton's makes me want to . One wonders if Rip is finally on the decline after all of those years of sprinting around the court.

On the other hand, maybe he is just disinterested with the way the Pistons are playing, and that is why his numbers are down. It wouldn't be the worst move the Cavs ever made, but I would sure like to see some other moves attempted before it.

 

[CBBI]

Anyone that was advocating trading for Stephen Jackson back in November that is now anti Richard Hamilton needs to check themselves.

Jack has 3 years , 27.6M left on his contract.
Rip has 3 years, 37.5M left on his contract, but his third year is only partially guaranteed for I believe 7 million I believe which makes the actual contract only 3/32 so not a whole lot of difference in salary.

Both guys are 31 about to turn 32 here in the next couple of months.

Both guys have been starters on NBA title winners. Rip has more postseason experience and more high level post season success.

Jax is a bigger player and is a better defender then Rip. Jax can guard 2's, 3's, and some smaller 4's whereas Rip is more apt to guarding only 1's and 2's and some smaller 3's.

I think you have to chalk up Rip's slow start this year as 12 games being a pretty small sample size for a player coming off an injury. Not to mention, there's probably isn't a ton of motivation to rush yourself back into a losing situation like he's dealing with in Detroit. Lest we forget that Jax essentially bitched his way out of GS, went to Charlotte and all of a sudden he's playing his heart out again and leading them to victories.

Last night Rip put up a 32 point, 10 assist, 3 steal game playing 46 minutes. I think as he gets healthier, you'll see him settle into his usual 18/3/4 on .450/.350/.850 self.

I know that PF is a giant need for this team considering a total non-factor named JJ Hickson is seeing 20 minutes a night, but I really think adding a scorer at the SG position is also an important need.

I think a lot of people are sleeping on Hamilton because his slow start this year, but he can still play ball and he would help this team.

 

[NarlCavs]

Hamilton would be an upgrade at SG but it's tough to see a deal that would work for all sides. I get the feeling Detroit wants talent for him and not just expirings.
Hamilton can still play although I do have some small doubts like others about whether his style can easily be adapted to the Cavs stand still spot up offense that is gone to too often.

I wouldn't have interest in Prince at this point. With Moon and Jawad able to play backup SF minutes or play in a small ball lineup there's not much need to take on his contract for a similar role. His back problems are also a concern and makes me wonder if the pounding his thin frame has taken is catching up with him.

 

[jlovecavs23]

I would rather have Rip than Jamison
Why is everyone jocking Jamison so much?Yes he can score the ball but most of his game comes off of isolation and he throws in a LOT of garbage runners
He isn NOT going to score with the Cavs like he is in Washington and he is a matador on Defense

The big stat that concerns me is 1 ASSIST per game--Ouch!Shaq has a better assist average per game--not good for a SF/PF

Rebounding is above average

Watching them against the Bulls last night Randy Foye was taking the last shot

Is he a winner or just a numbers player like Vince Carter?

The Cavaliers might need another player --but unless we hose the Wizards i am not taking that on for 2 more yrs after this year

 

[JayP146]

I would rather have Rip than Jamison
Why is everyone jocking Jamison so much?Yes he can score the ball but most of his game comes off of isolation and he throws in a LOT of garbage runners
He isn NOT going to score with the Cavs like he is in Washington and he is a matador on Defense

The big stat that concerns me is 1 ASSIST per game--Ouch!Shaq has a better assist average per game--not good for a SF/PF

Rebounding is above average

Watching them against the Bulls last night Randy Foye was taking the last shot

Is he a winner or just a numbers player like Vince Carter?

The Cavaliers might need another player --but unless we hose the Wizards i am not taking that on for 2 more yrs after this year

You're right - he'll score less on the Cavs, and that's because he'll be the second, third, or fourth scoring option. He would also give us another player who can create his own shot and spot up for threes and long range twos when necessary (Shaq posting up inside). He adds another layer of versatility to our already potent offense.

He brings a skillset we've practically never had at the four...

 

[D-westfan]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz8b224

lmao bored... cash & picks thrown in to even it out NOR does it to get under cap, washington for cap relief, cavs for talent... detroit needs to be given draft picks

Cavs first, NOH 2nd, cash from CLE, and a wash 2nd to detroit?

 

[Obawan12]

Anyone who says they would consider Rip most not know his contract status. People thought the Billups trade was bad, but extending Rip's contract was a MUCH worse decision.